American waking up - Ford losing out

stevebaby

For an adult,about $us11-12 p.hour.Free health care for life? Everyone in oz gets that.
teenagers get adult wages at 18.
And all year round cycling for everyone!

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jhuskey

Sounds very equitable ,but makes me curious as to how much a professional makes,such as a doctor.
I guess I am trying to establish if there is a wide gap in wages,as there is here, or if there is more of less varied scale.

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Wurm

If it weren't for the labor movement in this country your 10 year old kids would still be slaving in sweatshops 18 hours a day/6 days a week.

Next.

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The aim of big corporations is to separate fools from their money all of the time and ordinary folks from their money most of the time. The rest of us must fend for ourselves.

jhuskey

Just like a lot of other good ideas that went too far and went corrupt. Surely you are not going to try to defend present day unions.
Come on!

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Wurm

The "corruption" that may or may not exist administratively does not negate the neccesity and positive results of labor unions in general.

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- John Dean, former Counsel to the President (Nixon)

The aim of big corporations is to separate fools from their money all of the time and ordinary folks from their money most of the time. The rest of us must fend for ourselves.

wolfix

Geez Wurm, do I agree with you ????/

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lyotard

touching to see you blokes get on so well...

Wurm

Like the weather, just wait a bit and it'll change.

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"Bush is the first President to admit to an impeachable offense."

- John Dean, former Counsel to the President (Nixon)

The aim of big corporations is to separate fools from their money all of the time and ordinary folks from their money most of the time. The rest of us must fend for ourselves.

jhuskey

As in government corruption that may or may not exist etc. but we need not ignore the corruption, as you point out on a frequent basis.

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EoinC

Aaaah, but you independently chose her, JH (unless, like me, you were the victim of a Darth Vader-ish plan to nobble independent-thinking males, turning them into indentured slaves).

jhuskey

She did use the force on me. The force being certain body parts that I do not personally have.
Not that I am complaining.

PS: It is the dark side of the force.

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EoinC

I'm not sure on the history in the USA, but Unions have provided a strong counterpoint to exploitative employers in NZ and Oz over the last century. This, in turn, has set in place a lot of standards that have trickled through to non-union positions as well - the (simplified) basic balance always was that, for a given position, the union job would have better conditions / less pay, whilst the non-union job would have worse conditions / better pay.
Unfortunately (in my opinion), some unions worked very hard at monopolising positions, encouraging nepotism and, in some fields, destroying any chance to compete. This, in turn, allowed the Governments of both Nations to scapegoat unions as a whole (eg the Aussie Govt's involvement in the Patricks wharfie debacle) and pretty much wipeout their influence. Over time, this will see a re-opening of the doors for the return of the exploitative behaviour - although probably not on the scale that it was at during the early part of the 20th Century, due to society now having some higher standards to compare against.

jhuskey

Not all unions are bad ..hell I have faith that not all politicians are bad,just most, however power most often corrupts and things have gotten out of hand in some cases.
If money and influnence are involved some cheating and corruption will follow.
Sometimes I think we have gone nowhere in the last 1000 years as far as human evolution,maybe even backwards in some cases.
We just have better technology,just think 200 years ago if you wanted to lie to someone you had to look them in the eye,now you can do it over the phone or internet.
It makes it so much easier.

Wurm,you are one handsome dude...see how effecient and painless lying has become.

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limerickman

Agreed.
I have always been a very strong supporter of the Union movement.
This stemmed from being educated by one of the most enlightened men that our country has ever produced.
As an Irish Republican and as a social democrat, this man shaped many of us who were lucky enough to have been educated by him.
He was also the founding father of organised national cycling in our country.

While I admire the capitalist system, unbridled capitalism needs to be kept in check and I believe that the Union movement is the bulwark in addressing the imbalance between rights and greed.

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morelike hypocrisy.