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Old 05-08.-2003, 12:58 AM   #91
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After many many years of being off the bike, I started back again. I am training for a tour in South Texas(US). 150mi (241km)in two days. I need to lose weight, a lot. But I keep hearing that if I want to lose weight, I need to stay off the carbs. But now that i am into cycling, I read the articles and they mention that I need carbs. I weight 313lbs(241kilos) and I am 6'0feet tall. I can ride for about an hour and a half and feel fine. So how should go about losing weight without affecting my performance.


Try a "modified Atkins" diet -- cut out all starches from your diet -- no pasta, no rice, no bread, no potatoes -- but keep fruits and veggies. Then, eat a normal diet .. not a lot of fatty foods, but you can still eat cheese, for example. I think you will find that you will lose weight that way. I assume you are doing the Houston-Austin MS ride -- a lot of fun.
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Old 05-08.-2003, 01:45 AM   #92
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no no no how tall are you??? some people burn fat faster than other if your metabolic rate is high like mine ya have to eat lots more than other people, keep a food intake diary which is what i do and i write down what i eat (which is healthy food might i add but if ya doing lots of miles ya gotta eat lots of miles food, sample diet for ya ok!!21 000 to 23 000 kilojoules each day i dont know what country your from but this is australian okidoky??


Pre-training Cereal bar (eg Kellogg's K-time bar) and carton of fruit flavoured yoghurt
Sports drink Breakfast after training 2 large bowls of Kellogg's Sustain and milk Chopped banana 500 ml fruit juice
Mid-morning 500 ml liquid meal supplement (eg Sustagen Sport) Large piece of muesli slice Grab-pack of mixed dried fruit and nuts Lunch 3 rolls with salad and meat/egg/chicken/cheese 2 small cartons of fruit-flavoured yoghurt Fruit juice
Before training 250 ml liquid meal supplement
After training Sports drink + 2 cereal bars (eg Kellogg's Oven Baked Twists) soon as i get home - Large serve of rice/pasta/potatoes Stir fry with lean meat/ fish/ skinless chicken and vegetables Bread or bread rolls
Fruit juice
Desert - Custard and jelly Before bed Fruit smoothie with skim milk, fruit, icecream and skim milk powder

you can have low fat milk powder mixed with water i use one cup to 1 cup taste like crap but ya get use to it its good to add to smoothies just for the caleries

is a sensible diet - this is only an example i keep a food diary it gives you a fairy good idea of how much you eat compared to what you need.

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Now I'm worried about type II diabetes and heart attack!

I'm 63kg, and drink my home made energy drink (15% maltodextrin, 1.5% sugar, 1.5% protein, 1% salt) consuming around a litre per hour while riding. This is the only way I am able to stop weight loss - I simply cannot eat enough food to maintain my weight and energy otherwise.

Should I be overly concerned?
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Old 05-08.-2003, 01:59 AM   #93
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mmmmmmmmmmmm doesnt 313pounds only = 142kgs?? isnt it 2.2pounds to a kg?? maybe he meant to type 142 instead of 242? I think we should ask him/her to jump on the scales and give a definate weight??? if your only 142kgs just look at your diet keep a diary eat lots of healthy vegies fruit as much as you can fit in drop your fat intake to less than 4 gms, eat low fat everything and i would skip on too much cheese, drink lots of water and exercise moderatey start slow........i mean your overweight yes but, if your only 142 you only have around 50kgs to loose for you height?? so thats not too bad eh? maybe you could see a dietrition and they could work you out a diet to what your specific unique body needs - we are all different my friend is heavy and he exercises alot more than me eats a hell of alot less and cannot loose his wieght, i would suggest a full workout from your doctor to rule out thyroid and get your blood pressure checked and CHANGE YOUR LIFESTYLE YOUR BODY IS YOUR TEMPLE YA GOTTA LOOK AFTER IT!!!!!!!!!
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Try a "modified Atkins" diet -- cut out all starches from your diet -- no pasta, no rice, no bread, no potatoes -- but keep fruits and veggies. Then, eat a normal diet .. not a lot of fatty foods, but you can still eat cheese, for example. I think you will find that you will lose weight that way. I assume you are doing the Houston-Austin MS ride -- a lot of fun.
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Old 05-08.-2003, 02:06 AM   #94
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HEY!!!! they say.......1of protein to 3 carbs!! did you know this? i dont know how true it is i use this ratio for my cycling and it suits me fine (im a girly blouse thou, also amino acids added to your diet in capsule for and magnesium and zinc true i take them and they are great my recovery is halved my brain even works better cheers
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I agree with Shabby. Cutting out on protein in favour of protein and fat is going to be counter productive (carbs are improtant for cycling) and perhaps lead to illness (i.e. diabetes in the long term). You need to have a negative calorie balance (i.e. eat less energy than you use); so eat a healthy diet and train sensibly. The research suggests that to maximise the calories expended and therefore loose weight, exercise as hard as you can for the amount of time available (be it 1 minute or 5 hours). The 'fat burning zone' is becoming an exercise myth.
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Old 05-08.-2003, 04:51 AM   #95
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For the love of God... doesn't your keyboard have one of these-->.<--?
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Old 05-08.-2003, 06:57 AM   #96
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I stick by my low carb, high protein (and high fruit/veggie) diet. It has worked for me. You have to be reasonable -- I never said increase fat, I just said decrease carbs. If you are overweight, your body will metabolize the fat to get the carbs it needs. If you eat plenty of green veggies and fruit, you will also have vitamins etc. you need. My diet also works for someone who is not 25 years old -- if you have a full time job, juggle responsiblities other than sports, my bet is that you will find a healthy, rational diet that de-emphasizes carbs will keep you fit in the long run, which is the only run I'm interested in.
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Originally posted by Miller If you are overweight, your body will metabolize the fat to get the carbs it needs.


No, you can not metabolize fat into carbs. You can burn fat, but not in the form of carbs.
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No, you can not metabolize fat into carbs. You can burn fat, but not in the form of carbs.


The important thing to remember is that insulin will direct the body to utilize carbs first. The excess fat and carbs will be squirreled away as fat. The amount of available carb must be sufficiently low before the body starts burning fat as fuel. Thus, in a diet too high in carbs, the body never gets around to using much of the available fat as fuel. Some small amounts of fat will always be used for other purposes. The mistake is to think it is the fault of the fats when actually the carb burning metabolic path has put the fat burning path on hold. For example, a diet rich in French fries and shakes will make you fat faster than a diet that includes plain McDonald’s cheeseburgers without the bun and ketchup, all other things being equal. Chronically high levels of carb can induce a condition called insulin resistance. This is the prelude to type II diabetes. You don’t have to be obese to be diabetic. By the way, McDonald’s has some of the safest hamburger on the planet. They are meticulous about testing for e. coli. Read “Fast Food Nation”, if you have the stomach for it.

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The important thing to remember is that insulin will direct the body to utilize carbs first. The excess fat and carbs will be squirreled away as fat.


::scratching head:: I'm not sure what that has to do with the fact that fat can't be turned into carbs. That's all I said. It seems to be a very common misconception.
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::scratching head:: I'm not sure what that has to do with the fact that fat can't be turned into carbs. That's all I said. It seems to be a very common misconception.


You're not getting an argument. It must be everyone accepts your idea or has nothing to refute it with. It makes sense that carb, correction, FAT wouldn't wind up a glycogen. Glycogen is just a bunch of glucose molecules all glommed together. I doesn't make sense on the face of it to think fats would easily be transformed into such a compound. But then again, the liver can do some amazing things.

My crusade has been to approach cycling from a public health perspective, namely exercise and not eating junk. There's a lot of hokum out there in the way of good data and practice. As someone once told me, there's no fanatic like the reformed.

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Old 05-08.-2003, 11:07 AM   #101
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It makes sense that carb wouldn't wind up a glycogen. Glycogen is just a bunch of glucose molecules all glommed together. I doesn't make sense on the face of it to think fats would easily be transformed into such a compound. But then again, the liver can do some amazing things.



Carbohydrates are broken down enzymatically into glucose, then stored as glycogen in the muscles and liver. So carbs do wind up as glycogen, before they are glommed together (polymerised for the technically minded).
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I'm not sure what that has to do with the fact that fat can't be turned into carbs. That's all I said. It seems to be a very common misconception.


Fat is metabolised directly. The human body can convert carbs into fat, but then metabolises the fat directly, not through converting it back to carbohydrates.
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Fat is metabolised directly. The human body can convert carbs into fat, but then metabolises the fat directly, not through converting it back to carbohydrates.


Now I'm really scratching my head... I already said that... unless you're just agreeing.
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Carbohydrates are broken down enzymatically into glucose, then stored as glycogen in the muscles and liver. So carbs do wind up as glycogen, before they are glommed together (polymerised for the technically minded).


Did I say carb? I meant fat. Oops.
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The important thing to remember is that insulin will direct the body to utilize carbs first. The excess fat and carbs will be squirreled away as fat. The amount of available carb must be sufficiently low before the body starts burning fat as fuel. Thus, in a diet too high in carbs, the body never gets around to using much of the available fat as fuel.

>>If you have a calorie defocit you will lose weight irrespective of where the calories are from (i.e. carbohydrate, fat or protein). If you expend more calories than you take in you will lose weight and there won't be an issue of 'excess fat and carbs'!!!

>>Given that carbohydrate is very important during all exercise and alows you to maintain a higher workload than fat (i.e. during glycogen depletion); exercise in a non-glycogen depleted state allows for the largest energy expendature and largest potential for a calorie defocite to be formed.

>>If you are not losing weight it is neither about the excess fat or carbohydrate in the diet, rather excess calorie intake and insucficent calorie expendature.

>>Why not just eat a balanced diet and control calorie expendature to lose weight and maintain exercise performance? This seems the most acceptable, sensible and safest approach to me.

Some small amounts of fat will always be used for other purposes. The mistake is to think it is the fault of the fats when actually the carb burning metabolic path has put the fat burning path on hold.

>>The maximum rate of fat oxidation is acheived at relativly low levels of exercise and maintained through the range of intensities to maximal aerobic exercise. Although carbohydrate metabolism increases at higher intensities; neither does fat metabolism decrease or become altered as a result of the increased fat metabolism. Carb metabolism doesn't put fat metabolism on hold, thats impossible!

For example, a diet rich in French fries and shakes will make you fat faster than a diet that includes plain McDonald’s cheeseburgers without the bun and ketchup, all other things being equal.

>>There will be no difference in weight loss or weight gain between the two diets if they contain the same amount of calories. In weight control energy balance rather than macronutrient content that is most important!!!

Chronically high levels of carb can induce a condition called insulin resistance. This is the prelude to type II diabetes. You don’t have to be obese to be diabetic.

>>Eating a diet high in fat will lead to CHD and atherosclerosis; these are the largest killers in the western world (more so than diabetes)!!!! Development of CHD is seen in children as young as 3 (from autopsy studies), even though symptoms don't apper until latter life. A balanced diet with an emphesis on unrefined carbohydrates (i.e. limited intake of sweets, table sugars, etc) helps avoid diabetes by maintaining insulin sensitivity (I can get the reference if you want). No dietition would recomend a diet so high in carbohydrate/simple carbohydrates and low enough in fat that would induce such a condition. This type of diabetes is also linked to smoking, lack of exercise, obesity, drinking, etc. with diet only playing a small (although important) part.

By the way, McDonald’s has some of the safest hamburger on the planet. They are meticulous about testing for e. coli. Read “Fast Food Nation”, if you have the stomach for it.

>>Well lets all go eat McDonalds!!!! I'm a bit more worried about atherosclerosis than e-coli. Although it may be the 'safest hamburger, I can think of 1000's of 'safer' choices than hamburgers. I recomend that you give up your trips to McDonalds for your health and cycling performance!!!

Here’s a hint for the punctuationally challenged. Type your posting with a word processor and get it right there before pasting it into the window on the website. MS Word checks for grammar, spelling, and punctuation.

>>Most people post for fun and some don't even have English as their first language, hope you don't mind but I'll keep posting 'off the top of my head'.
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