Weight Loss help

2WheelsGood

Me too. I posted that because it shows an easy to trace connection between the supposed research (that I assume diggler is referring to) and the company that makes the product. I didn't mean for the rest of that article to serve as research.

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DiGGLeR

In my first post, did I ever say anything about selling or trying to convince anyone to do what I am doing... No.

I thought it worked good, so I stated that in my first post. Apparently you two disagree with that; fine.

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2WheelsGood

You did state (in your second post I believe) that you researched the product. The only thing in question (at least in my mind) is where is this research. Why do you keep avoiding the question?

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DiGGLeR

No sir,

I researched it in various places, as well as asking other professionals and doctors that I know. I did a check on the company that makes it, and looked at what goes into their processes of production, as well as the standards they use for their products. I did not write this up in a report and post it on the internet somewhere, it was just some research I did before I got it. Because of the research I did for myself, I feel confident in the product. That is why I felt I could say something good about what I was doing. I am not about to write up a report on this forum either, because as I told you before, I don't care whether you advise it or not. I also don't care what opinions you have about what I am doing. I also know that you don't care about my health or my training regime. I am not going to waste the time to write all of the research I did just to prove a point.


What can you pick apart in this post now to argue with?

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2WheelsGood

The fact that you keep saying you don't care, but in fact you really do. If you didn't care, you wouldn't keep responding. But it's easier to say you don't care than it is to come up with some real evidence.

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ric_stern/RST

Diggler wrote, i responded with >>

No sir,

I researched it in various places, as well as asking other professionals and doctors that I know.

>>I'm sorry, but the only 'doctors' you asked were probably people who had a doctorate in business studies (apologies in advance to these people). No medical doctor, who isn't a blatant charlatan would advise such supplements.


I did a check on the company that makes it, and looked at what goes into their processes of production, as well as the standards they use for their products.

>>Pleeeze. I've never heard such rubbish in all my life


I did not write this up in a report and post it on the internet somewhere, it was just some research I did before I got it. Because of the research I did for myself, I feel confident in the product.

That is why I felt I could say something good about what I was doing. I am not about to write up a report on this forum either, because as I told you before, I don't care whether you advise it or not.
>> you do care. you keep responding with utter rubbish

I also don't care what opinions you have about what I am doing. I also know that you don't care about my health or my training regime. I am not going to waste the time to write all of the research I did just to prove a point.

>>you seem to have wasted enough time responding to us. i'm sure you could have found some supporting evidence. You said you had thoroughly researched it before buying the product. You must have some memory of this research. or did the carb blockers, block your memory?



What can you pick apart in this post now to argue with?
>> all of it?

Ric

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Harrow

There are carb blockers that are totally effective and safe if used properly. And we all have them. They are called lips. If you don't put the stuff in your mouth it can't add to your weight. Simple !

Regards,
Harrow.

ric_stern/RST

But Diggler and his nutrition buddies won't make any money with that :-)

Ric

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HellonWheels

Let me give yoiu some background about myself (similar situation as you, weight-wise and cycling-wise): I'm 43 years old, female, until 2 years ago I weighed 305 lbs, 5 ft 6 in tall. I lost over 100 lbs in 2 years (I'm now 200 lbs). I used to be a cyclist many years ago when I was thinner, then when I started getting heavier I got away from physical activity. Got back into it a few yrs ago, lost the weight and as of a few months ago, am now cycling again!

I can outline what I did, and maybe it will work for you too:

1> Eat only low-fat (NOT fatfree, tho you can eat some fatfree foods).

2 Drink LOTS of water, all day long. In fact I dont drink anything but water except in rare cases

3 Eat smaller portions

4 Get up early (5 or 6 am), do your workout, and go to bed early (8 PM). The earlier you go to bed the less hungry you will get late at night and want to snack

5 Do not deprive yourself of ANYTHING. Just eat smaller portions. If you want a candybar, get one, take a few normal sized bites, and throw the rest away or give to your kid if you have one. Share desserts when going out to dinner with a spouse, etc Order senior size portions or kid portions if you can (if they are low fat).

Practice mindfulness when eating ANYTHING. Before you eat it ask yourself why you want it. Is it true hunger? Or boredom?

When you are hungry, try drinking water first. Often we mistake thirst for hunger.

Focus on complex carbs, lean poultry and fish, tuna, fresh fruits and veggies, etc Dont cut out sugar, white flour, etc but go easy on it. REMEMBER, you are NOT on a weightloss diet, you are simply changing your lifestyle to be HEALTHY. Focus on the HEALTH aspect and not weight loss and you will do better. Much of this is psychological.

Focus on cardio exercise. I started out doing 5 mins of recumbent stationary bike 7 days a week, worked up to 75 mins 7 days/wk, now cut down to 3 days a wk on the advice of my dr and trainer. I do weights on the off days, with one day a wk off.

This is what I do with the recumbent bike: 24 mins straight at something like 22-24 mph, take a brief break, then do the next 24 mins, and keep doing it like that till I've done 75 mins total.

Good luck!

HellonWheels

Blimp, THANK GOD there are people like you who are smart enough to realize this! I absolutely despise the low carbos, I have a friend on it who is tired and depressed all the tiome, she bonks when she works out, and she wonders why!

And as a sufferer of IBS I NEED carbs to keep from having IBS attacks. Fat is my number one enemy, and low carb is too. If I ate high fat/low carb I'd be so sick all the time I'd never be able to leave my house again (I lived like that for years until I learned a few yrs ago that fat triggers attacks, and complex carbs cures them.)

For more info on IBS, http://www.eatingforibs.com

DurangoKid

As an Atkins enthusiast, I can tell you from experience that high protein / high fat does not work well in all cases. I have used Atkins to drop about 30 pounds. I limit carbs to those that occur in low glycemic fruits and vegetables. The one exception is cycling. Carbs speed up my recovery after a long ride. In addition, the body doesn’t store enough glycogen to get one through a multiple hour ride. Some carb is necessary to sustain and recover. If I need a boost, I eat a Dr. Soy bar after being in the saddle a while or after the ride. It has the best balance of protein, fat, and carb I’ve found so far.

Parenthetically, my adult acne has gone away since I started Atkins. There must be something good going on here.

I’ve read the previous version of Atkins’ book cover to cover. There is no mention of a program for serious athletes or recreational riders who train but don’t race (as I do). This isn’t to say that Atkins is b.s. It’s a jumping off point for building a diet for one’s own situation. Atkins himself recommends tailoring the diet to one’s own needs. The diet program is not a one size fits all proposition. It’s also important to realize that the Atkins diet was developed as a dietary control for type II diabetes. Some of Atkins’ patients were in terrible trouble and needed some sort of drastic help. There’s no shortage of type II diabetics in this country. The last number I heard was 15 million.

I’ve been in the Atkins chat room quite a bit. Always someone wants to follow the program without reading the books or following the rules. It’s no surprise to me that they have problems. It’s also important to remember that Atkins comes in stages. In the forth and final maintenance stage all sorts of carbs are legal so long as they don’t affect weight, blood chemistry, insulin response, etc. No one in the first stage of Atkins (induction) should entertain notions about bike racing or some other strenuous sport. Many people spend too much time in the induction phase. If someone is pathologically obese, the first order of business is to get the weight off and acquire some basic level of fitness. Atkins can help with this.

Recently I’ve heard about the effects of carb addiction on the brain. As with any sort of addiction, the subjects medicate themselves with some substance to achieve some sort of pharmacological effect. Sugar is just such a substance. For those who would scoff at the notion of sugar being addictive, take it from me: Been there, done that, ain’t goin’ back. There are actual biochemical changes in the brain that can be managed with, according to one source, certain amino acids. These can be taken as a supplement or they occur naturally in certain foods. Atkins doesn’t address these brain changes. Consequently, some Atkins followers fall off the wagon because the underlying sugar addiction hasn’t been treated.

Sixty per cent of Americans are over weight. A significant portion of that sixty per cent is obese. The carb content of the American diet has been increasing steadily for over a century. The rates of heart disease and diabetes have more or less tracked that increase. As a population, we eat too much carb. Cyclists are self-selecting minority. The dynamics of the population at large do not apply. Certainly, the several claims that this or that diet works better have no statistical significance. In terms of public health, these claims don’t mean anything.

Finally, I have found that I can drastically reduce the amount of carb I consume, dose myself with appropriate amounts of carb strictly in the context of training, train as hard as I deem reasonable, and consistently improve. Everyone is different. If you’ve found something that works, stick with it and enjoy your improving fitness.

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HellonWheels

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DurangoKid
As an Atkins enthusiast, I can tell you from experience that high protein / high fat does not work well in all cases. I have used Atkins to drop about 30 pounds. I limit carbs to those that occur in low glycemic fruits and vegetables. The one exception is cycling. Carbs speed up my recovery after a long ride. In addition, the body doesn’t store enough glycogen to get one through a multiple hour ride. Some carb is necessary to sustain and recover. If I need a boost, I eat a Dr. Soy bar after being in the saddle a while or after the ride. It has the best balance of protein, fat, and carb I’ve found so far.>>

I underestimated the importance of carbs myself, even tho I am dead set against low carb/high fat diets. I had to cut most fat from my diet due to IBS, and naturally that also cuts out a lot of carbs (many pastries, etc are high fat).

But when I workout on my stationary bike, I usually do 75 mins a day. I find that when I dont eat a high carb dinner the nite before, or dont eat a high carb breakfast, I bonk. And I tend to bonk bigtime. Once I suddenly got very disoriented and actually fell sideways off the bike...my legs got heavy, I lost the energy to cycle anymore, had dizziness, I even saw things!
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If anything convinced me of the importance of carbs, that did.

DurangoKid

What is IBS? I'm guessing you're in a very small minority of people who have some metabolic disorder that needs special attention.

HellonWheels

No its not a metabolic disorder. IBS stands for Irritable Bowel Syndrome, I've had it since age 16. Attacks are caused by stress, overeating, high fat foods, and not enough fiber. Attacks can come on suddenly, anywhere, and require the victim to stay in the bathroom for sometimes a few hours. Severe diahhrea, sometimes vomiting, severe stomach cramps, etc. Many IBS sufferers end up confined to home because they fear going anyplace where they might get an attack and not be able to take over the bathroom for a few hours.

Switching to lowfat, high carb foods, and reducing portions, as well as cutting 3 main meals into 5 smaller ones, as well as aerobic exercise and lots of water, stopped all my attacks. I have not had one in 3 years!

For more info, see http://www.eatingforibs.com