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03-05.-2007, 04:26 AM
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Re: Poll: What's your Functional Threshold power?
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Before I invested in an SRM I worked off of a similar chart for Kreitler rollers. Since using the SRM I've found considerable variance in power at a given speed (+/-20W in the ~240W area). I'd borrow a friends PT and validate the power curve of your particular trainer. You might find some surprising differences. |
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03-05.-2007, 05:33 AM
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Re: Poll: What's your Functional Threshold power?
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Were you sick at Iceman last year? Your time doesn't reflect a FT anywhere near 500. I was injured for the 4 weeks before Iceman (off the bike that whole time) and still put 7+ minutes into your time and my FT isn't anywhere close to that even when I'm on the razor. |
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03-05.-2007, 05:53 AM
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Re: Poll: What's your Functional Threshold power?
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Not per say, but definitely over the peak. But more to the point, the race at Iceman was before I started training by the Morris plan - or any actual plan for that matter. As I noted - "I've seen the progress, last year at this time I could barely hold my current FTP for a minute." |
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03-05.-2007, 07:18 AM
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Re: Poll: What's your Functional Threshold power?
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04-05.-2007, 09:57 PM
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Re: Poll: What's your Functional Threshold power?
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When I got a new CT that fall and did the same test two months later, the results were much more in line with what I expected. So I'd buy, borrow, beg or steal a PT and do a proper test. Used PT's are going pretty darned cheap these days and as long as you zero the offset they're highly reliable.
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05-05.-2007, 02:15 PM
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Re: Poll: What's your Functional Threshold power?
290watts for 40min TT
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05-05.-2007, 10:55 PM
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Re: Poll: What's your Functional Threshold power?
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floyd landis came through texas in his "i need money to defend myself" tour. My teammate asked him a question while he was up in Dallas... "what was your FTP when you won the tour?" "I was able to produce 425W, and my weight last year was 68kg" sorry bro, floyds FTP when he won the TdeF was 6.25w/kg. Even if you were sand bagging @ 6+w/kg in ANY domestic category, you could easily ride off the front and win everything! that includes Pro RRs and PRo MTB races. please retest your FTP with a PT or SRM and let us know. I'm sure it is very good, but I dont' think you realize what you are claming. |
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07-05.-2007, 08:16 AM
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Re: Poll: What's your Functional Threshold power?
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top of the FTP chart is 6.4 W/kg so that ties in very nicely doesn't it?
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07-05.-2007, 01:17 PM
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Re: Poll: What's your Functional Threshold power?
Just did a one hour time trial today on a hilly course during a blowing Nor'easter to set my benchmarks. This is my first week with my new PT 2.4 so I am considering this my first benchmark. (I also had to contend with some lights and stop signs).
W-255; m-78.02kg;age-41; p/w-3.269. Hopefully, these numbers will be up as I beging power training. It has been a while since I raced, back in he early nineties I was doing regular duatholons. |
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07-05.-2007, 11:56 PM
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Re: Poll: What's your Functional Threshold power?
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I've been informed by a reliable source of the numbers that the Rabobank team can generate. There are a few guys on the forum who claim to be up there with them. Jsocia would probably be able to ride Oscar Freire off his wheel....  |
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08-05.-2007, 10:30 AM
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Re: Poll: What's your Functional Threshold power?
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Do you use Average power for this interval or Normalized power to "estimate"? It can be quite different... I know AC says only about 5% but that is significant, and I am over that (about 370 avg vs +400 NP, 60MP). My P/w is much better using a NP derived FTP than avg P...  so if we are racing power #'s I am going with NP  I was about to post asking how many are using NP and how many posters used avg, as only Clausfod made the distinction (that I saw) somewhere in the middle of this thread. Perhaps it doesn't make a difference with most folks. slightly off topic, would a NP>Avg P greater than 5% indicate a large AWC??? |
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08-05.-2007, 01:48 PM
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Re: Poll: What's your Functional Threshold power?
Yeah I think most people need to use more accurate methods of measuring rather than estimating 1hour power. Any estimation based on an interval less than 20 or even 40 minutes seems to be too optimistic. I don't have a power tap, but I have used the SRM velo cycle thing in the HPL lab at my university. I have been very fortunate to get professional testing for free by volunteering for grad student research projects.
For the last two weeks I did 6 45 minute MLSS intervals at 240W in the lab at 90-98rpm avg. The other day I went back and did another one and could have easily done 240W for a full hour, if not more, or ramped the power up. I bet I could have done more like 250. I've been gaining alot of fitness and I bet by the end of summer I should be back at 275W again, maybe higher. The 45 minute intervals were based off of what I did in a 2 minute protocol MAP test. Even though I was fatigued and gave up early, the anaerobic threshold values were still accurate enough. These values place me right in Cat 3 on the chart...as of now, I'm only racing XC, but I hope those values are reflective! I definitely know how to push myself in a race. Now I just need to lose 2 more kilograms. It seems the verdict though is not to estimate any CP using a fluid trainer...you NEED a power meter!!!
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08-05.-2007, 01:51 PM
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Re: Poll: What's your Functional Threshold power?
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Not necessarily, it really just represents a more variable ride. |
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08-05.-2007, 07:28 PM
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Re: Poll: What's your Functional Threshold power?
jdc64 400 71 5.63 *Based off monod (5', 12', 20', 30' Actual Power)
the holster 370 67 5.52 Camoscio 340 62 5.48 scotmart 385 72 5.35 19:58 (47:21 on a 37.8km course) musher 340 64 5.31 clausfod 414 78 5.307 bigmatt 396 75 5.28 joemw 354 68 5.20 whoawhoa 320 62.5 5.12 gvanwagner 325 64 5.08 MikeMUK 360 72 5.01 c.walton 325 65 5.00 BullGod 340 69 4.93 musher 318 65 4.89 PSUCycling 324 67 4.83 Cat2 (U.S.) Markster 335 70 4.79 19:57 51:55 2007 bikeguy 340 72 kg 4.71 W/kg, 12 minute power 400 (+?) w @ 100 rpm Dirtcoach 305 65.6 4.65 postal_bag 345 75 4.6 gonzalovilaseca 310 68 4.56 kennethn 320 70.3 4.55 JohnMeyers 350 77 4.54 Atsic 285 63.5 4.49 rmur 380 85 4.47 (PT Pro) NomadVW 345 77 4.48 peterpen 290 65 4.46 zaskar 280 63 4.44 midbunchlurker 275 62 4.43 joule 266 60 4.43 HammerHead 300 68 4.41 rouleur 315 72 4.38 Thorman 340 78 4.36 rmur 370 85 4.35 (PT Pro, ~380W on SRM) Chowderm 325 75 4.33 52:19 Lazy Llama 286 66 4.33 13.3 mi TT, 30:12 dshep27283 345 80 4.31 PaulMD 297 69 4.30 RobM 312 73 4.27 2006 bikeguy 315 74 4.26 corrected for weight cadence230 280 4.24 bikeguy 315 72 4.38 5 km rolling TT, 7:15; standard, no aero bars, after 90k andoveradi 322 76 4.23 mattv2099 314 75 4.19 grebletie 272 65 4.18 Cat 4 (U.S.) Stanette 313 75 4.17 yzfrr11 310 75 4.13 Xav 318 77 4.13 pledac 285 69 4.13 Spunout 280 68 4.12 RapDaddyo 325 80 4.06 velobob 310 77 4.03 jack.hutchinson 285 71 4.01 PeterWright 280 70 4 bspurgeon 315 78.5 3.99 K50 275 69 3.99, (no TT's) all XC baby! cube 290 73 3.97 Old Junker 250 63 3.97 velomanct 310 79 3.92 jbvcoaching 300 77 3.90 My02Sti 305 79 3.86 Otb4evr 385 100 3.85 22:19 58:48 BlueJersey 230 60 3.83 robkit 280 75 3.73 amartinez 250 67 3.73 Trailhead 312 84 3.71 11ring 256 70 3.66 22.10 sugaken 240 66 3.64 woodgab 321 89 3.61 bigbevans 260 73 3.56 21:30 (270 w) 56:46 Hookyrider 284 80 3.55 Krazyderek 260 78 3.33 AndROOb 232 71 3.27 spomanski 310 96 3.23 alleycat 170 52 3.27 netscriber 143 47 3.04 beerco 220 78 2.82 fmarques25 204 74 2.76 DesFlurane 240 90 2.66 offthebackCT 200 76 2.63 |
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09-05.-2007, 12:51 AM
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Re: Poll: What's your Functional Threshold power?
jdc64 400 71 5.63 *Based off monod (5', 12', 20', 30' Actual Power)
the holster 370 67 5.52 Camoscio 340 62 5.48 scotmart 385 72 5.35 19:58 (47:21 on a 37.8km course) musher 340 64 5.31 clausfod 414 78 5.307 bigmatt 396 75 5.28 joemw 354 68 5.20 whoawhoa 320 62.5 5.12 gvanwagner 325 64 5.08 MikeMUK 360 72 5.01 c.walton 325 65 5.00 BullGod 340 69 4.93 musher 318 65 4.89 PSUCycling 324 67 4.83 Cat2 (U.S.) Markster 335 70 4.79 19:57 51:55 2007 bikeguy 340 72 kg 4.71 W/kg, 12 minute power 400 (+?) w @ 100 rpm Dirtcoach 305 65.6 4.65 postal_bag 345 75 4.6 gonzalovilaseca 310 68 4.56 kennethn 320 70.3 4.55 JohnMeyers 350 77 4.54 Atsic 285 63.5 4.49 rmur 380 85 4.47 (PT Pro) NomadVW 345 77 4.48 peterpen 290 65 4.46 zaskar 280 63 4.44 midbunchlurker 275 62 4.43 joule 266 60 4.43 HammerHead 300 68 4.41 rouleur 315 72 4.38 grebletie 280 64 4.38 Thorman 340 78 4.36 rmur 370 85 4.35 (PT Pro, ~380W on SRM) Chowderm 325 75 4.33 52:19 Lazy Llama 286 66 4.33 13.3 mi TT, 30:12 dshep27283 345 80 4.31 PaulMD 297 69 4.30 RobM 312 73 4.27 2006 bikeguy 315 74 4.26 corrected for weight cadence230 280 4.24 bikeguy 315 72 4.38 5 km rolling TT, 7:15; standard, no aero bars, after 90k andoveradi 322 76 4.23 mattv2099 314 75 4.19 Stanette 313 75 4.17 yzfrr11 310 75 4.13 Xav 318 77 4.13 pledac 285 69 4.13 Spunout 280 68 4.12 RapDaddyo 325 80 4.06 velobob 310 77 4.03 jack.hutchinson 285 71 4.01 PeterWright 280 70 4 bspurgeon 315 78.5 3.99 K50 275 69 3.99, (no TT's) all XC baby! cube 290 73 3.97 Old Junker 250 63 3.97 velomanct 310 79 3.92 jbvcoaching 300 77 3.90 My02Sti 305 79 3.86 Otb4evr 385 100 3.85 22:19 58:48 BlueJersey 230 60 3.83 robkit 280 75 3.73 amartinez 250 67 3.73 Trailhead 312 84 3.71 11ring 256 70 3.66 22.10 sugaken 240 66 3.64 woodgab 321 89 3.61 bigbevans 260 73 3.56 21:30 (270 w) 56:46 Hookyrider 284 80 3.55 Krazyderek 260 78 3.33 AndROOb 232 71 3.27 spomanski 310 96 3.23 alleycat 170 52 3.27 netscriber 143 47 3.04 beerco 220 78 2.82 fmarques25 204 74 2.76 DesFlurane 240 90 2.66 offthebackCT 200 76 2.63 |
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