Bush/Cheney have disgraced their office; they should resign

Colorado Ryder

Here we go with the dishonorable shit again.
Defend what was left of democracy. Well the Brits did a piss poor job of that. Hell the Germans ran the Brits out of France at Dunkirk. That was a great contribution. The Brits were lucky that Hitler turned his attention to the Soviets.

What war material did the US supply to Germany?

limerickman

Your country's education textbooks are factually incorrect : how else can you explain why those textbooks state that your country won the Vietnam war ?

And as regards looking down noses, you'd do well to try to learn about a subject before you pontificate about winning the war against the Japanese.

Several non-European members here have corrected your false assertions about the war against the Japanese.

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morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

The fact that the USA dealt with both sides in WW2, prior to America's entry in to the war, is well documented.
You can call it dishonourable shit if you wish - but it factaully correct to state that the USA traded with both warring sides.

What material did the USA supply to Germany?
IBM, Ford and General Motors all traded with the Germany and helped to bolster the Nazi regime with the technology and product supplied.

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morelike hypocrisy.

Colorado Ryder

Never seen a textbook that stated that. Show your source for that. Where can I find this textbook?


Oh yes the Aussies, Kiwis, and the Brits were doing such a bang up job in the Pacific. Actually the Aussies and Kiwis held their own. The Brits on the other hand spent the war stalemated in Burma. How many non-Americans participated in the landings on Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Iwo Jima, or Okinawa?
Here is your answer: zero! While the US was fighting the battles to get within range of Japan, the Brits were barely holding on in Burma. How many non-American planes bombed Japan? Zero!


Something you do well!


If it is false then you'll probably want to remove my posts!

Colorado Ryder

Was the US at war with Germany at this time?

Carrera

There was a line of thought in Spain back in the nineties that those countries that lost WW2 came off best in the long term, namely Germany and Japan. At that time, Germany had a very strong economy and Japan has always been an economic powerhouse.
Britain fought well in WW2 but gained very little out of the victory. Most of the spoils went to the Soviet Union while France and Britain slipped into decline.
As for the U.S., the U.S. economy started to boom back then the way China is today. Both the USSR and the U.S. mainly prospered as a result of the war.
Since that time, Britain has slipped into decline and continues to do so. Now Germany and France appear to be in the same boat and China has just overtaken Italy.

darkboong

"some bombing runs" ... They made *lots* of bombing runs, in case you forgot they completely flattened a few large cities (unnecessarily and immorally in my view).



Over the long term Russia would have squashed Germany flat anyway. IIRC 83% of the German losses were on the Eastern Front. The trick was to stop the Russians from running Europe (hence the race for Berlin - which the Americans failed to win Single Handedly).

Colorado Ryder

Never said the US won the european war singlehandedly. The Soviets paid a steep price but again they deserved everything they lost.

Had the US not entered the war, the British would have looked across the channel and seen the Soviets waving back. Without US participation on the western front the war on the eastern front would have lasted several more years. Without a credible invasion threat from the west Hitler could have used those troops in the east.

The Race for Berlin.....not really a race. Eisenhower was told that casualties from a Berlin battle would be over 100,000. Hearing this he told his staff that the Soviets could take Berlin. The Soviets lost about 150,000 men taking Berlin.

wolfix

What is the explanation to the bomb being 'Unnecessary & Immoral ?"

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wolfix

What is the explanation to the bomb being 'Unnecessary & Immoral ?"

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Colorado Ryder

At least our textbooks don't refer to WW2 as "The Emergency"! How was WW2 a emergency for Ireland when Ireland never entered the war?

Do Irish history books tell about IRA involvement with the Nazi's? Does it tell about the Kathleen Plan?

Do the Irish books tell us about Sean Russell? He was buried at sea from a German u-boat with full Nazi honors. They even erected a statue in his honor in Dublin.

http://www.victims.org.uk/russellstatue.jpg

"enduring symbol of Ireland’s shame".

Do the history books in Ireland tell us about Eoin O'Duffy? He promised Hitler he could raise a "Green Legion" to fight for the Germans on the eastern front.

Is it coincidence that the Irish prime minister and president were the only neutral government leaders to offer condolences upon Hitler's death?

Here is a quote from the prime minister about offering condolences....

"would have been an act of unpardonable discourtesy to the German nation and to Dr. Hempel himself. During the whole of the war, Dr. Hempel's conduct was irreproachable. ... I certainly was not going to add to his humiliation in the hour of defeat."

darkboong

Immoral because those city levelling raids were specifically aimed at (and achieved) massive civillian casualties. I believe that those raids were unnecessary because Albert Speer who was in charge of war production at the time pointed out that the Allies just needed to bomb a couple more factories to the ground to halt ball bearing production for a lot of very long months.

For those long months and for many months afterwards just about everything mechanical that used ball bearings (ie: engines, guns, guidence, etc) would have simply stopped working. The German forces would have been reduced to fighting with kites, rubber dingys, rifles, grenades and spades.

Apparently that was the same conclusion drawn by the RAF's reconnaisance analysts, but the order was given to switch from destroying war production and start carrying out attacks on Civillians instead. The motivation was Revenge as stated by Bomber Harris and Churchill, Churchill said that he came to regret authorising those attacks (and that is why I insist that those attacks were immoral).

wolfix

Misunderstanding on my part....... I thought you were talking of Japanese cities being "flattened."

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darkboong

I don't know enough details about that, but there are at least 3 raids on Japan that appear to meet my criteria for Unncessary and Immoral attacks on Civillians.