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01-01.-2006, 03:19 AM
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Re: Bush/Cheney have disgraced their office; they should resign
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Yeah, let's be serious for a moment, Davey. The fact of the matter is that you were rumbled here some time back with your antics. Unfortunately for you, that got my attention. I had to bin the thread where you and that other chameleon spewed insults. Now we can do this the easy way or we can do this the hard way. I'll leave that entirely up to you. In the meantime, save the lectures about derisiveness, because it doesn't wash. After all we don't want double stardards now, Davey, would we?
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01-01.-2006, 03:34 AM
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Re: Bush/Cheney have disgraced their office; they should resign
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Of course Dave, it was Bush who re-educated us with a lesson in pronounciation So we can now repeat his mantra. 'Ma fella Merkins'.
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01-01.-2006, 08:09 AM
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Very well. Carry on. I am just a simpleton from this side of the pond. We all know intelligence is dictated by one's location. I live in America so, therefore I am not that bright. Forgive me for forgetting my "place", in the scheme of things, on the soapbox. I will henceforth muzzle any original thoughts & simply regurgitate what others have said. That way the supposed "balance" won't be upset. Apologies.
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01-01.-2006, 09:27 AM
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I must say Lim that I've never found any of Dave's postings imflammatory at all, Therefore I'm baffled by your comments to him, Surely Careera has been a propogandist extraordinaire, and has never proved his wordage in any situation with his own assessment of a situation.
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02-01.-2006, 12:34 AM
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I'm not pushing for an argument with you. The use of the term Merkin was not used in order to insult you. You took exception to it. All I can say once again is there was no insult intended. So let's leave it at that.
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03-01.-2006, 06:48 AM
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As did Europe when Japan was invading Korea and China. The righteous europeans did nothing when China was invaded. They did nothing when Korea was invaded. Did nothing when the Rape of Nanking happened. Probably because europeans only think when death and destruction happens to them it is a travesty. And the righteous British and French did nothing when Hitler walked into Austria and Czechoslovakia. You keep condemning the US for not entering the war in 1939. Tell us why the US should have come over to fight a war that was started by europeans? |
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03-01.-2006, 06:49 AM
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Sounds like the same tactics that was used against a previously banned member. |
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03-01.-2006, 06:54 AM
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Oh come on MC. We all know that the intellegentsia all live in europe. You should know that. They tell us all the time on this forum. We stupid morons on this side of the pond will have to be content that we have the greatest economy known to man and live in the land of opportunity. |
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03-01.-2006, 08:06 AM
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This particular Red Herring was brought to our noses by an American claiming that the USA somehow saved Europe out of pure altruism. Meanwhile you've brought up another Red Herring in the form of Nanking which occurred thousands miles away (across mostly hostile) turf. Futhermore it happened while some of Europe was getting Blitzkreiged and the rest was preparing to bear the brunt of the most powerful army in the world at the time. It appears to me that many Americans have a slim to zero grasp of the geo-political basics of the world at that time. Even more worrying many of those historically challenged Americans don't appear to have any incentive or willingness to actually learn anything beyond the jingoistic kindergarten blag regarding the US's involvement in WWII. FWIW, thanks for selling us the Aircraft. Thanks for helping putting Germany back on it's feet, thanks for the people who fought to bring Hitler's lunacy to an end. You can stuff the "you would be talking German if it wasn't for us" crapola, and you can start paying some respect and recognition to the *millions* of Europeans who sacrificed their lives for the cause. With respect, American casualties didn't even make up 1% of the total dead in Europe, nor did US forces account for the majority of Hitler's losses (if anyone has that claim the Russians do). There is no doubt in my mind that the US did make a decisive contribution to the European theatre, but it appears to me that over the long haul Hitler's Reich was on the ropes as soon as the Russians got their armor together. BTW : I have seen (first hand) the German high command maps of the Eastern Front for '42,'43,'44 and '45. The scrawled notes and movement orders indicated that they felt the writing was on the wall by mid 43 (it was spooky seeing the signatures of the Wehrmacht's top brass on those maps). Holding all that turf and fighting the Russians was just too much for them (as they told Hitler repeatedly according to Albert Speer's "Inside the Third Reich")... If I had to choose between the Russian contribution and the American one, I would probably have to pick the Russian, but I prefer to have both.  |
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03-01.-2006, 10:05 AM
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I only condemn the USA's non-involvement when US citizens claim that they came to the rescue of Europe.
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03-01.-2006, 10:26 AM
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Excellent synopsis. It's evident, going on the posts of CR, DMc and Wolfix, that only a partial and inaccurate account of USA's involvement in WWII, is taught to Americans. They're obviously taught that the USA was responsible for liberating Europe. This is partially correct. The Soviet and British forces played an equal, if not more crucial part in the liberation of Europe, than the USA did. As you correctly point out, the German generals realised that by mid-1943, the Soviets were winning the battle on the Eastern front. Granted the US had made inroads (with Montgomery) in to North Africa but as the Eastern front required more and more German resources, it was the Soviet response which caused the first major stumbling of the Nazi forces. Granted that without the US involvement the allied effort to defeat Germany would have taken longer - but I have no doubt that Russia and Britain eventually would have beaten the German war machine. The other part of WWII history which is not taught in the US school system is how the USA Inc profitted from victory over Germany. The US education system details how the Marshall Plan "helped to save and regenerate Europe post-1945". The Marshall Plan is portrayed as almost a charitable donation on the part of the USA to Europe. It wasn't. The Marshall Plan was created to benefit Europe, but also to benefit a sizable plethora of US interests such as Coca-Cola, IBM (the same compnay who sold technology to the Nazi's), Ford, GM and many others. None of this is taught in the US education system. Reminds me of the inlaw from New York who tried to tell me how the USA won the war in Vietnam, some years back. Transpired that she was taught this in school. Frightening stuff.
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03-01.-2006, 02:24 PM
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This internal propogandist situation is not new by any means. It is only relatively recent that German schoolchildren have been taught the truth about the second world and some of the horrors perpetrated by the Germans on humanity, and not in the name of war per se. The American people have been brainwashed in a similar manner regarding their 'success' in WW2. DB points out that only 1% were American casualties, and the American film industry had them cracking the Enigma code and a lot of other fabrications to boot. Therefore it is no wonder that our American friends must have looked on in amazement at our discussions of Zionism in the SOI, and didn't contribute to it in any way simply because they have been brainwashed by an alternative view. The subject was out of their depth completely so they desisted, instead of being blown out of the water. It is not their fault that falsifications are manipulated to justify $14billion of tax raised revenue to be spent on an illegal act and action. Someone should tell them the truth.
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03-01.-2006, 02:52 PM
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This is why, assuming a reasonable capacity for independent and critical thinking, we Murkin's should (re)educate ourselves after we've graduated high school.
The system is set up to prepare kids for a life of chasing The Almighty Buck so that they can spend them though voracious consumerism, ("Capitalism Is Good!") if not then war, ("Patriotism!" YAY!) to keep "America's shining light of freedom shining"...while behind the curtain of The Great Oz, the corporations churn out yet more stupid plastic widgets, and rake in the profits and power.
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03-01.-2006, 03:49 PM
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I, too, will refrain from any nationality-orientated epithets. You are correct in that I have strayed from the norms of decorum on another occassion. At the time I thought it was cute but in hindsight realize I may have ruffled some feathers. At the time I was miffed by what was being posted for a variety of reasons. On another note,my country IS held in low regard by a goodly portion of the worlds inhabitants due to our current office-holder's cavalier use of executive authority bordering on illegality. The worlds compassion after 9/11 has turned to disdain/animosity and for good reason. My only saving grace is that I did not elect the current office-holder. Others did. The legality/illegality of thier actions remains to be determined.
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03-01.-2006, 03:52 PM
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My postings have not been clear about one thing , poor writing on my behalf. ....... When I refer to Europe speaking German, I mean in the future, not the past. When Germany is studied looking at the "why" they became "war starters" , some of the same things are happening now. The main problem is that the German youth are so far removed from the war , that they have no realization of the true destruction of war. They feel immune. Just wait until the German economy is tilted, and that is a direction that I understand it is headed. Europe is starting to show some stress of immigration. The riots in France and the trouble in Holland.{I only know of the trouble in Holland from this forum} I am not sure if there is anywhere on this forum where I personally have attacked anyone personally , except for that nutcase in the basement ..Wurm. But to be attacked for being American , that is wrong.. In the past 4 years I dealt with international students. I have tried and not stereotyped them. But this I know, that the German students have no love for the Russian students. And not to put you Lim into this catogory, but the Irish were the biggest racists in town.... Every time they came into the pub, there was trouble... But they also were fun after they settled down... And the same could be said for the Aussies. but we saw so few of them. But I know Ireland is not a land of racists. One problem in America is the media as it exsists today. Both Fox and Air America distort the real America. And the BBC.... They distort the truth more then they get it right when it comes to the US. I have stayed out of the Jewish discussions.... I have known many fine Jewish people and have no problem with them.... The situation that has occurred and is still happening down that way is something I have no interest in. So I stay out of those discussions. But the Brits do have America to thank for WW2. The Germans may have eventually ben dismantled, but it would not have happened until after they devastated England.
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