TSS and training hours???

Spunout

Don't know a way to do that, unless Dave gives you out the code to work in the back end.

Hijack: To enter a workout where you do not have PT data, is it possible to save a few benchmark or standard .wko files and then re-import them as new workouts?

For example, a 2 hour endurance ride could be used to proxy a cross or MTB ride (or even a 2 hour easy ski) so that TSS can be tracked and we wouldn't have all of those ugly gaps our data.

RapDaddyo

I think that, one way or the other, the system needs a workout file. I think the charts are created "on-the-fly," which is why you can change FT and re-do all the charts. If it was using summary stats (e.g., TSS), then changing FT wouldn't change the charts for previous rides. I come back to my thought of a quick and dirty workout file generator, based on a few inputs such as minutes at each level. If I get a few spare minutes watching a football game over the holidays, I'll write something and post it here.

yawg

Or you could transfer the TSS values from CP and enter them into a spreadsheet. For the two hour MTB ride or ski session you could guessimate what the TSS might have been. You'll have to determine if this tracks your training stresses well enough to be useful.

Here are a couple of links from the wattage group that may be of interest:

http://lists.topica.com/lists/watta...l?mid=909272952

http://lists.topica.com/lists/watta...l?mid=909502943

greg

frenchyge

Special Forces Response Team: Yes, and I'm pretty sure that's the help file suggested method. Take the benchmark workout (or any other workout on the ride calendar of similar duration and power) and change the *workout date* (that's important) and power values as desired to reflect the new ride, then hit 'Save As' and enter the new file name desired (best to stick with the existing naming convention). Close the workout and voila, the new modified ride now shows up on the calendar.

Spunout

Cool. Perfect fix, I figured there was an easy way as opposed to building the file in Excel. I could even copy benchmark workouts into another directory, go there and open them to import them into my default .wko directory when wanting to add one.

thanks!

fergie

Have to ask as a cycling racing coach do any of you guys actually race? All you seem to talk about is all this data and how you analyse it. Has any of this actually helped you to race better??? Actual results??? Top of the podium stuff ya know???

Hamish Ferguson
Cycling Coach

Spunout

Troll.

Cat 2, 38 years old, racing program director and coach-candidate in development.

BlueJersey

Your above average cat4 only been training with power last off season. Still learning how to use that thing correctly. I am very confident I will "own" my local cat 4 field next season.

beerco's alias

Last year - first full year as cat 4 - won State RR, Michigan Challenge points series, stage race (including the TT) and a crit. This is my 4th year of training with power.

This year unfortunatley a writeoff due to a new job. I'm pretty sure that training with a powermeter will help me be a competitive cat 3 next year on fewer hours than most.

frenchyge

As a result of applying the training advice I gleaned from this site last winter, I got recruited during a club ride to a new race team and did my first races last season -- 4 top 10's as a Cat 5 in 4 races, and Best Newcomer award. Began training with power last August. Expecting to get my first wins next year and hoping to advance to Cat 3 by the end of 2006.

Not that any of my accomplishments are going to impress a elite level cycling coach (nor is that a goal of mine). I'm just a 35 yr-old, self-coached family guy looking to realize my potential (late as I am coming into the sport) and have some fun racing. If I were an U19 who had coaches to tell me what to do and analyze my rides for me, then maybe I wouldn't care about training plans and data like I do.

beerco's alias

Fourth year of training with power, self coached. Last year ('04) as a first full year cat 4 I won the state RR championship, Points series, a stage race, the TT in the stage race and a crit.

This year was a write off due to not having enough training time but I hope to be competitive in the 3s next year on fewer hours than most thanks to power based training.

frenchyge

I'm not sure what else to expect from a power training forum, but if you'd like to start a thread on something else that you're more interested in talking about, I'm sure myself and others would be interested and willing to comment.

fergie

It is that you guys are so far away from what top teams (track, Women and Pro) are focusing on with training it's not funny. Seems like you guys are training for training's sake and the training is an end result in itself. Elite riders train differently to this. They focus on a racing goal and the training is then designed to reflect this.

Perhaps from a power forum I would like to hear more about how all this has allowed you to improve your actual results. From above this is has happened for some. Lets hear more!

Hamish Ferguson
Cycling Coach

whoawhoa

I recently read "Lance Armstrong's War" by Dan Coyle. From that book, it appears Armstrong, as well as several other top pro tour riders, focus almost completely on power #'s. What else is there to focus on in training other than producing more power? (obviously, better race results. But better race results come from a combination of greater fitness and in some cases better tactics, which can't really be "trained" but rather learned through race experience)

I agree that real-world discussions interest me more than a bunch of computer nerd stuff, but that's probably because I don't have a pm, and don't understand most of that nerd stuff.