Tookie Williams & the death penalty

Originally Posted by Chance3290

I'm sure there are cases of innocent people being executed, there are also hundreds of cases of people being let loose and killing again.
The pause before the sentence is carried out is to allow the convicted to go through the appeals process.
Christians believe in Heaven and Hell. Dying after leading a good life leads you to Heaven. Dying after you start a vicious robbing, raping, murdering drug gang will lead you to Hell.
And the Bible never forbad killing, in fact the Bible is full of killing.
The Bible forbad murder. The Commandment is actually; "Thou Shall Not Murder."

My bottom line is that I'll be against the death penalty when prison is made to be hell. No TV, no weight rooms, etc. Live 23 hours a day in a small cell with very limited human contact.
Prisons will stay filled as long as its not a deterrent to return. If you give prisoners everything they want, they won't want to leave or won't mind getting sent back.

Originally Posted by Chance3290

And the Bible never forbad killing, in fact the Bible is full of killing.
The Bible forbad murder. The Commandment is actually; "Thou Shall Not Murder."
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Originally Posted by MountainPro

well i am not so sure about that...

when is murder justified? when it is handed out as punishment my the state?

this will be the same state that puts elderly people in prison for committing mercy killings of terminally sick spouses.

With respect to the Bible:

Its always been 'Thou Shall Not Kill'

only God has the right to take anothers life....dress it up all you want, killing people isnt going to get you into heaven..

Originally Posted by MountainPro

when is murder justified? when it is handed out as punishment my the state?

With respect to the Bible:

Its always been 'Thou Shall Not Kill'

only God has the right to take anothers life....dress it up all you want, killing people isnt going to get you into heaven..

Originally Posted by stevebaby

Bob was charged with murder because the police officer investigating took a dislike to him based on his appearance and attitude.Black people in the us (and other countries) are more likely to be charged with an offence if the police officer is white.It is not unusual for police officers to charge someone with an offence,knowing them to be innocent,just to cause inconvenience to them and get revenge for something like an insult.

Originally Posted by Chance3290

Again, in what land do you live where this happens all the time? "Hey, Bob, you're under arrest for murder. I have no other evidence to offer except you long hair."

Yes, the majority of police in the US and most other countries, are white. The majority of people arrested in the US are black. That's because the majority of the people who commit crimes in the US are black. If anyone doubts this, I will again renew my offer to meet with me and I'll take you around and show you the real world, not what you read in your papers. This is based on social needs, lack of employment, lack of ambition, lack of conflict resolution skills, etc,

In every jurisdiction that I know, a police officer must have reasonable articuable suspicion to stop someone. They must have probable cause to make an arrest.

Originally Posted by Chance3290

If you check any dictionary you will find the definition of murder as being the unlawful killing of one human being by another human being.
In California, it is legal to kill a person who has been legally sentenced to death.
It is not murder.

Originally Posted by stevebaby

If,having disarmed an attacker,someone has reasonable cause to believe that a further attack is imminent,then that person is entitled to use deadly force to defend themselves.In this case,the person charged was being slammed headfirst into a cupboard and other knives were lying nearby.The legal argument was about the likelihood of death resulting from the continued attack.

A few years ago a detective discovered that 2 of his child relatives were being abused .the alleged offender was arrested,charged and bailed.the detective went to the alleged offender's house and shot him dead.He was subsequently acquitted on the grounds of self defence.

Originally Posted by MountainPro

since circa 560 AD it has been taught 'thou shall not kill' in this country....

i can't speak for the kentucky new evanglical chrstian society bible 195th edition.

Originally Posted by Chance3290

tookie was not killed in Scotland. Had he been, it would have been murder. He was executed in California where, again, it is legal to kill someone sentenced to death.

And I won't get into the whole 'thou shall not kill' issue where it involves those in the British Isles. Seems that since 560AD more than a little blood has been splilt in the name of your Christianity.

Originally Posted by jhuskey

Please let me stir the kettle a bit more.
"Thou shalt not kill"....... What or who? I am killing time as I type.
Unless someome find some direct text relavant and related to the time of the original Ten Commandnents I will only consider it a personal opinion as to what or who.

Originally Posted by jhuskey

Please let me stir the kettle a bit more.
"Thou shalt not kill"....... What or who? I am killing time as I type.
Unless someome find some direct text relavant and related to the time of the original Ten Commandnents I will only consider it a personal opinion as to what or who.

Originally Posted by Chance3290

kettle stirring can be fun, especially when you've sitting at work with little ambition to get it your work done.

Originally Posted by MountainPro

Carrera? DB?

this is where you guys take over...we've set up a cracking argument for you...

i personally cant be arsed.

if tookie was convicted in Scotland, he wouldnt be dead, you're right...but he would have to spend is remaing days as big Tam's bitch. ..he was lucky to be caught in Calif..