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17-12.-2005, 05:39 AM
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Re: Tookie Williams & the death penalty
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Sure I'll take that point. The real divide though is between people who see a human life as something unalterably precious, and those that think someone's life can become unimportant through vicious subhuman acts of evil. All the other rhetoric about possible mistakes, redemption, and revenge is just fodder for arguments. |
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17-12.-2005, 05:47 AM
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And the debate of an afterlife whereas you will be judges after death in contrast to oblivion and death as finality. BTW: I am really in no hurry to confirm either theory.
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17-12.-2005, 07:34 AM
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I agree with you. I think society can be protected without executions. But this is the culture of death we live in.
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19-12.-2005, 06:38 AM
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http://www.mezomorf.com/national/news-16275.html
there you go, its on paragraph 8. 12 minutes to insert a needle? for fuck sake, who trained that nurse? Quote:
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19-12.-2005, 07:50 AM
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J Mengele,who else?
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19-12.-2005, 08:35 AM
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Agreed. Somewhere I have a speech made around 400 BC on the theme by a Greek orator and dealing with the futility of state murder.
In my book anyone who takes part in the planned murder of another human being is committing murder, plain and simple. Plus there is no way the Bible can be invoked. The Bible teaches one cannot be judge and jury unless one is blameless. Seeing as we are all flawed beings we cannot judge whether another has the right to life or not. That is for nature to decide. I do believe killing is justified in a case where you are defending your own right to life and you have no choice at the time in defence of home and family. But capital punishment is merely premeditated murder and it's plain wrong. I was also horrifed to see people in New York waving death penalty banners outside a recently opened school for gays and lesbians, calling for such people to be executed in Jesus's name. It simply beggars belief.  Quote:
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19-12.-2005, 09:42 AM
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All flawed? Nobody is perfect? I like to think that nobody else is perfect.
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19-12.-2005, 05:23 PM
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So what? This argument has been going on for 25 centuries - I'll bet real American money that I can find a counter argument by another Greek orator of the same credentials of the same era - not that they'd have any more or less credibility today. Quote:
The bible is invoked all the time on this topic and every other topic ever discussed. It's largely a work of rumors and its readers give it far too much authority. Quote:
This is a problem with fundamental religious fanatics, not with capital punishment proponents. I'll bet you cannot find a single person who believes in any kind of punishment for gays or lesbians that is NOT a religious whacko. |
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19-12.-2005, 07:28 PM
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I thought it was Dr Crippin. it suggests in the atricle that the nurse was under a lot of pressure because of the event....da bitch got stage fright. i remember they make the same excuse for Bush for failing to articulate a coherent sentence when speaking publically. It was false then and it is false now.
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20-12.-2005, 12:16 AM
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I wonder if Tookie took 12 minutes to pull the trigger of the shotgun he used to shoot his 4 victims in the back of the head! |
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20-12.-2005, 12:21 AM
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MP  id you get your bike?
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20-12.-2005, 12:57 AM
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he wouldnt be much of a gangster if he he did....
he was probably better at shooting people than the 'technician' was administering a simple injection... Quote:
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20-12.-2005, 12:59 AM
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20-12.-2005, 01:53 AM
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You sure have a lot of sympathy for ol' Tookie. But you haven't mentioned having any sympathy for his victims. |
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20-12.-2005, 02:54 AM
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And for those who seem so concerned about his mental state, as they took so long to put the needle in his arm, please mail your concerns to the families of his victims. You talk about cruel and inhumane punishment of the death penalty, but you have little regard for the victims. What does that say about the human race? Let tookie rot in hell. NOTE: Murder is the unlawful taking of human life. If it is legal to do so, it is not murder. And why is everyone blaming Gov Arnold for his clown dying? It's like he found him guilty. Every court looked at the case and found the guilty verdict to be correct. Do they blame the judge, the jury, the appellate court, the Supreme Court, the 9th,-most liberal court in the land? Nope, just Arnold. It makes you think. (Or, in their case...not think)
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