civil unrest in australia...what gives?

mocka58

It's not a matter of being racist, it's a matter of fact. There has been a problem with gangs of youths of Lebanese descent in Sydney for nearly 20 years and for all that time politicians and the police have been too timid to do anything about it for fear of being labelled racists. These gangs are native born Aussies but there are plenty of 'Middle Eastern immigrants' among them too. They are violent, aggresive, swaggering, racist neanderthals who have no respect for anyone or anything. Gangs of up to 70 or 80 men have been known to pick on lone people just because they are white Aussies or "skips" as they call them.
What happened at Cronulla on Sunday was wrong but police and politicians weren't doing anything about thes thugs monstering people on Cronulla beach so the racist underbelly of Australian society reared it's ugly heas and as a result this crap has been happening. I don't know where we go from here because unless the muslim community leaders take some responsibility the next generation of young muslims are just going to produce plenty more boneheads like this.

Carrera

That's my angle. I've never had any problem with the polite, well-educated immigrants who come here from the Middle East. But then I ask myself who are these other individuals coming in you see spitting on the street with an attitude?
Do-gooders keep stressing all of these people are paragons of virtue but it isn't the case. Some of them are here doing a good job and living peacefully. But others are a pain in the proverbial ass.
Who do I really blame? Basically the white liberals and politicians not the immigrants. Some of the immigrants take liberties because they know they can play to the gallery and shout "racism!" There is weakness that can be exploited to the full, I suppose.
If the powers that be are going to be weak-willed and terrified of being branded racist, these troublemakers will trample them down.
What really pisses off my girlfriend, though, is the fact that if a girl turns up from the west and visits any of these countries in hot pants and a vest, it's bugger political correctness. She'll more than likely be stoned by a mob or arrested.
So, people are getting annoyed by double standards and one set of rules applied to only one party.

FredC

Wrong again as usual. It was a gang of whites who attacked two men on a train, when they thought that the train was full 'Mediterranian types'? in an unjustified attack. The Med types have responded in similar fashion, so it's only tit for tat.

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mocka58

Three volunteer lifeguards were told by a Lebenese gang that it was their beach and the lifesavers were not welcome. When they didn't leave they were bashed. One of then was 15 years old. It's something that's been happening regularly and the locals were fed up with up with it and that led to the ugly scenes on Sunday. The behaviour of the ethnic gangs in response is nothing unusual I can assure you. No one's defending the thugs who carried on the way they did on Sunday but why you would defend criminal gangs who run rampage in response is completely beyond me.

FredC

That should be a Policing issue surely. We have something here called EGT. That stands for Evidence Gathering Team, they use hand held video cams, and just record whatever they choose.

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ptlwp

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, flies like a duck; it's a DUCK.....not a Jew.

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davidmc

makes sense to me. The vast mojority of communitites in the middle East seem to place religion FIRST then everything else AFTER. The West places the rule of law FIRST then everything else AFTER. Before anyone calls me a racist, understand that I am an Government & International Relations major in University so spare me the cavalierly, bestowed insults. Samuel Huntington is a WORLD RENOWNED SCHOLAR on this issue. See below:

"Clash of civilizations"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_civilizations

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wolfix

This is something I have believed for a long time.

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limerickman

If you're going to quote me, I am asking you again, to not misquote me.

What I said was that history shows that the Jews have managed to antagonise many people throughout history.

To illustrate the point : note Egypt, note Roman Empire, note Cruscades, note the Moors, note Soviets, note the Nazi's.




Actually you're wrong - in the entirety of this post.

The riot in Australia is a weekend Mods and Rockers type issue.
It's youngsters using the religion as a pretext for getting their kicks in at weekends.

If Jewish youngsters were being attacked in Australia, I would be the first to try to defend them.

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morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

he also never came back to me when I pointed out that he had lied when he said that 6 MUSLIMS were arrested and charged, over the killing of the WPC in Bradfor some weeks ago.

No MUSLIM had been charged when he posted that lie.
I queried him on this at the time and he never came back to me.

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morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

Waffler - if they worse ski masks, then how can they be identified as being Middle Eastern?

Masks conceal.

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morelike hypocrisy.

mocka58

With all due respect you are totally wrong. I don't know how this has played in the press overseas but it's certainly not to do with mods and rockers. I assure you race has everything to do with it. When a car load of youths of 'middle eastern appearance' ask an innocent person putting their garbage out at night if they are an Aussie or not and bashing them senseless when they answer 'yes', then most would think it is a racial problem.

Perhaps from a distance the reality of the situation has not been apparent.

Carrera

I'm afraid your response is typical of the usual Question Time BBC audience who tend to be so politically correct, they refuse to look facts in the face.
I'm not suggesting in any way that these far-right Australian gangs are justified beating up immigrants simply because they have a Middle Eastern appearance.
What I am suggesting is there is obviously a problem in Australia which revolves around lack of integration - same as in France. It doesn't apply to all immigrants, just some of them. It's the "some of them" that should be shown the door.
I don't see why my view that all immigrants should accept the values of a host country seems so radical to you and Boogers. Myself, I've lived in several foreign countries for prolonged periods and I would never have taken the view rules should be altered on my account, or people should be bending over backwards to accommodate me.
I simply minded by own business and accepted any cultural differences I came across.
Torching cars, burning schools, churches and synagogues is totally unacceptable behaviour.

scotty72

Umm yes it has, two men of "Middle Eastern appearance" were charged over the lifeguards' bashings.

Scotty