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Old 07-12.-2005, 04:19 PM   #91
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You won't make any friends on this thread. EVERYONE here, myself excluded, is an Arab apologist, no Correct me if I am wrong. Israel is the size of Lichtenstein & all I hear is boo-hoo-hoo from the countries in that region. Why don't THEY offer the Palestinians any of their VAST landholdings instead of financing their terrorists raids

Because the Palestinians want their legally held land back in their ownership, in much the same way that the jews have got their valuables back that were stolen by the Germans. So it's OK for the jews to steal land, and not OK for the Germans to steal. Get real.
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Old 07-12.-2005, 07:17 PM   #92
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You won't make any friends on this thread. EVERYONE here, myself excluded, is an Arab apologist, no Correct me if I am wrong. Israel is the size of Lichtenstein & all I hear is boo-hoo-hoo from the countries in that region. Why don't THEY offer the Palestinians any of their VAST landholdings instead of financing their terrorists raids


As Fred said, the land that is now occupied was stolen.

That fact is no doubt lost on a poseur like you.
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You won't make any friends on this thread. EVERYONE here, myself excluded, is an Arab apologist, no Correct me if I am wrong. Israel is the size of Lichtenstein & all I hear is boo-hoo-hoo from the countries in that region. Why don't THEY offer the Palestinians any of their VAST landholdings instead of financing their terrorists raids


Seriously, why don't you offer your State to the Zionists and let the Palestinians have their land back ? I have a basic rule of thumb : Don't ask people to do anything that you wouldn't do yourself (although I have no doubt that JBG & JH can probably concoct some scenarios where that rule might get bent).

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You won't make any friends on this thread. EVERYONE here, myself excluded, is an Arab apologist, no Correct me if I am wrong. Israel is the size of Lichtenstein & all I hear is boo-hoo-hoo from the countries in that region. Why don't THEY offer the Palestinians any of their VAST landholdings instead of financing their terrorists raids
I'm certainly not an Arab apologist, and I agree that Careera's post highlights some of the reasons for the problems that Arabs face in their own counties and ours. And for that matter, some of the problems caused by Muslims in the Middle East and elsewhere.
But, Jews did occupy Israel illegally, and their armed forces do kill more Palestinian civilians than terrorists kill Jewish ones, by a huge margin.
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Seriously, why don't you offer your State to the Zionists and let the Palestinians have their land back ? I have a basic rule of thumb : Don't ask people to do anything that you wouldn't do yourself (although I have no doubt that JBG & JH can probably concoct some scenarios where that rule might get bent).
The Zionists believe that it is their God-given duty to take and possess the Promised Land; no other place on Earth will do. Not even Lichtenstein or Ohio.
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The Zionists believe that it is their God-given duty to take and possess the Promised Land; no other place on Earth will do. Not even Lichtenstein or Ohio.


Indeed, but DMC is quite happy for Palestinians to be forcibly evicted from their chosen land, so it's fair that he and the Zionists share that exact same fate. They can always rename Ohio/whatever other US state is chosen to be Israel if they choose.
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Indeed, but DMC is quite happy for Palestinians to be forcibly evicted from their chosen land, so it's fair that he and the Zionists share that exact same fate. They can always rename Ohio/whatever other US state is chosen to be Israel if they choose.
Fair doesn't come into it.
DMC makes it clear that he is opposed to National Policy being determined by The Church. Therefore he will not be agreeing with the Zionist's claim that Israel belongs to the Jews because God gave it to them.
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In todays Guardian newspaper - Gerald Kaufman, who is Jewish - discusses the Israel/Palestine conflict.

GK was part of a Commons fact finding mission to the disputed region and he writes of his utter dismay at the annexation of towns like Bethlehem by the Israeli's.
Kaufman - himself a Jew - says that the conditions under which Palestinians are living is intolerable : and the redeployment from location in Gaza by the Jews is actually solidifying the ground annexed in 1967, which was a further
extension of the ground taken in 1948.

The article is well written and it captures the core of the issues.
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Fair doesn't come into it.
DMC makes it clear that he is opposed to National Policy being determined by The Church. Therefore he will not be agreeing with the Zionist's claim that Israel belongs to the Jews because God gave it to them.

Thanks Don but that won't help me w/ DB. He has an agenda &, I suspect, nothing will change that.
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As Fred said, the land that is now occupied was stolen.

That fact is no doubt lost on a poseur like you.

Who designated that part of the world to be Israel anyway hmmmm Was it me I think not.
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Because the Palestinians want their legally held land back in their ownership, in much the same way that the jews have got their valuables back that were stolen by the Germans. So it's OK for the jews to steal land, and not OK for the Germans to steal. Get real.

Your beef is w/ The League of Nations, not me. They are the one's who drew squiggley lines all over the globe designating country borders. Why don't you take it up w/ them I suspect if the Israeli's had a country the size of a bus station the surrounding peoples would still cry foul
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Your beef is w/ The League of Nations, not me. They are the one's who drew squiggley lines all over the globe designating country borders. Why don't you take it up w/ them I suspect if the Israeli's had a country the size of a bus station the surrounding peoples would still cry foul
Country borders designated by straight lines drawn on maps lead to even bigger problems.
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Thanks Don but that won't help me w/ DB. He has an agenda &, I suspect, nothing will change that.


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Fair doesn't come into it.
DMC makes it clear that he is opposed to National Policy being determined by The Church. Therefore he will not be agreeing with the Zionist's claim that Israel belongs to the Jews because God gave it to them.


Fair point Don, and a neat way of illustrating that his ideals are at odds with the reality of Israel.
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In todays Guardian newspaper - Gerald Kaufman, who is Jewish - discusses the Israel/Palestine conflict.

GK was part of a Commons fact finding mission to the disputed region and he writes of his utter dismay at the annexation of towns like Bethlehem by the Israeli's.
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The article is well written and it captures the core of the issues.

GK is one of our most senior and respected politicians, is 100% Jewish, and has spoken out for years against the SOI and it's illegal and inhumanitarian behaviour towards the Palestinians. He is well known for being a fair and decent man.
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