Will Israel Strike First?

Carrera

What we refer to as orthodox Christianity is merely the final doctrine the Church agreed upon with the help of Constantine the Great. A long time prior to the christianization of the Roman Empire, Christians were teaching a number of Christian doctrines. Some academics even believe St Paul may have been a gnostic Christian.
My issue with Christianity is this: We do not know Jesus stated he was the son of God. Not all Christian groups preached that he was. The Trinity is surely an insertion of pagan faith systems into orthodox Christianity. Mass is a carbon copy of Greek Mystery Religion. There are so many influences at work.
If you choose to believe everything you have before you in the New Testament, that's fine by me. It makes you an orthodox Christian and I'm not knocking your beliefs. But myself, I'm a bit like Madonna and prefer to look into what the non-orthodox Christians had to say.
Actually, Madonna's Kabbalah Judaic beliefs are the gnostic variant of traditional Judaism (and a very interesting religion it is too!). But there are gnostic versions of Christianity and Islam too.
Here is an extract of some gnostic Christian teaching:
"18) When the soul had overcome the third power, it went upwards and saw the fourth power, which took seven forms.

19) The first form is darkness, the second desire, the third ignorance, the fourth is the excitement of death, the fifth is the kingdom of the flesh, the sixth is the foolish wisdom of flesh, the seventh is the wrathful wisdom. These are the seven powers of wrath.

20) They asked the soul, Whence do you come slayer of men, or where are you going, conqueror of space?

21) The soul answered and said, What binds me has been slain, and what turns me about has been overcome,

22) and my desire has been ended, and ignorance has died.

23) In a aeon I was released from a world, and in a Type from a type, and from the fetter of oblivion which is transient.

24) From this time on will I attain to the rest of the time, of the season, of the aeon, in silence."

Colorado Ryder

Whatever. Just proving that Carrera was erroneous in his statements.

Carrera

Not wanting to be overly impolite but I can't help but conclude Boogers, Fred and Lim do have an agenda.
I base that conclusion on the simple fact they only seem to beat their chests on account of Israel as if Israel is the only nation that ever resolved a political issue via force of arms.
If you notice, Checnhya hardly gets a mention because Russia is involved. Yet Putin has hardly used kid-gloves dealing with Chechnyan Islamic rebels and you'd think Boogers would be up in arms about that.
From what I can gather, these 3 guys would be more than happy to see all Jews abandon Israel entirely and surrender the whole of Jerusalem to Islam. Not that that would go down well with all the American pilgrims who travel to Israel throughout the year to see the places where Jesus walked and taught his disciples before Islam was ever conceived as a religion.
Basically the Arabs have done a very good job as portraying themselves as innocent victims of Israeli aggressors. This is why they often goad the Israeli army to fire on places where they hide children e.t.c. so they can flash the images on Al Jezeera. Well-meaning folks such as Boogers then see the images and swallow the whole "victim" propaganda line.

Colorado Ryder

[QUOTE=Carrera]My issue with Christianity is this: We do not know Jesus stated he was the son of God./QUOTE]

The verses I supplied to you contradict your assertion.

[QUOTE=Carrera]If you choose to believe everything you have before you in the New Testament, that's fine by me. It makes you an orthodox Christian and I'm not knocking your beliefs. But myself, I'm a bit like Madonna and prefer to look into what the non-orthodox Christians had to say./QUOTE]

A Christian believes everything in the New and Old Testaments. The Testaments are supposed to be the word of God.

Carrera

'but I *NEVER* have seen you condemn the slaying of Palestinian children."

American soldiers have testified how Jihadist militia have been deliberately setting them up to bomb places where they hide children so they can make film footage. This is fact. I believe they do the same in Israel.
These Arab militia hide behind women and children during conflict. They use every cowardly trick in the book and will happily strap up a teen to blow himself up with a bomb or send a woman in their place.
In Beslan they literally hid behind a group of terrified schoolchildren, calling themselves warriors of Allah.
Then Australian waters they threatened to throw their own children overboard unless Australia took them in and granted asylum. There is no end to the do-gooders who will openly allow their hearts to bleed for these extremists but you can count me out. The best way to deal with them is to build a great big wall as Israel is doing - and it seems to be working too

Carrera

Judaism is very ancient I agree. And I never understood how anyone can apparently be a devout moslem or Christian and hate Judaism since Judaism is the source of both faiths.
However, Judaism does tie in with other ancient faith. There are various accounts of the great flood and scholars aren't sure whether maybe Judaism borrowed from ancient Egyptian beliefs as well which goes back thousands of years BC.

Carrera

The forum, tis alive with heathen and enchanters who cast devilish nets to ensnare the children of God. Hear ye the world of the Lord! Repent ye from yer wicked ways and yer fornicating and loose women, ye heathen. Turn to the paths of righteousness. Deliver up yer satanic brew and devils potions. Repent of yer sins before yer damned by the everlasting torments of hell!

FredC

Piss off revrend we's gonna play cards and say hello to the girls, wanna come along? It's more fun than sticking that old bible together with willy glue.

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davidmc

Sadly, this appears to be the case Well put

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I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
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US comedian and actor (1937 - )

Don Shipp

Devout believers hate heretics more than infidels. Most of the violence in Iraq at the moment, at least as it is being reported here, seems to be one lot of Muslims bombing t'other lot and vice-versa.
Historically, Christians hate Jews because they crucified Jesus, (or delivered him to the Romans, same thing) and of course Muslims consider Jesus the second-most-important prophet so they can also hate Jews for the same reason.
Devout followers of whatever religion do not think logically or behave rationally.

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davidmc

I knew you were a spaghetti western disciple

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I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

darkboong

Looks like that statement remains intact. You continue to endorse the murder of Palestinian children with your silence on the issue.

For the record :
1) A large proportion of Arabs serve with the IDF.
2) The IDF does use Palestinian children as Human Shields as a matter of policy.
3) The Palestinians are largely Semite.

So who is anti-semite here ? It appears you are Crappy because you refuse to unconditionally condemn the murder of semite children.

Carrera

I can kind of understand that the average Iraqi is going to resent foreign Christian troops entering their country and attempting to elect a government on their behalf. It just doesn't work that way.
It was the same in Jerusalem 2000 years ago, of course. The Jews were none too happy over the idea of Caligula having himself worshipped as a god in the most Holy Shrine.
People will defend their religious heritage and holy sites with ferocity in all cases. In fact the Romans faced firerce resistance from militant Jews just as the Americans are facing resistance in Iraq.

Carrera

"You continue to endorse the murder of Palestinian children with your silence on the issue."

What I don't quite understand is how come your compassion never seems to stretch towards the victims killed in bars or supermarkets within Israel? You never seem to have anything to say about the masked fanatics who wave rifles in the air shouting down hell and bloody murder on Americans and Jews.
This is what confuses me somewhat.