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When I was 17 years old, weighed 152 pounds, wrestled and played soccer, I was hypertensive. When I was 30 years old, weighed 190 pounds and swam for two hours per day four days per week and had a resting heart rate of 58, I was hypertensive. Now, I am 53 years old, weigh 210 pounds, and ride my bike 15 to 40 miles per day three days per week, and have a resting heart rate of 68, I am hypertensive. A year ago, I had no regular physical activity, weighed 265 pounds, and had a resting heart rate of 80, and my blood pressure was no worse than it was when I was 17 or than it is now. The only difference as far as my blood pressure is concerned is that the medications to control blood pressure have improved drastically over the years. I have been on an ACE inhibitor (lisinopril) and a diuretic (hydrochlorothiazide) for the past six years. I have had no adverse effects from the medication, and my blood pressure is under control. |
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couldn't have said it better myself
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i would not recommend the diuretic approach to an athlete, or cyclist. Hydration is very important for endurance sports, and a diuretic basically dehydrates you, which lowers your preload, and in turn your Cardiac Output and blood pressure
Vasodilators is a very vague classification of drug...infact most of the drugs you mentioned are vasodilators.....Beta blockers, calcium channell blockers, ACE inhibitors....just the mechanism of action differs. i think the best choice is not to look for an answer on such an important health matter on this forum...find an internist, on who will listen to what your lifestyle and goals are, and taylor a treatment plan suited for only you... Quote:
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At the dose of thiazide diuretics that are used today (e.g., 12.5 mg of hydrochlorothiazide), there is no effect on hydration status or preload, but a major effect on blood pressure, especially when combined with an ACE inhibitor or ARB. The antihypertensive effect of the thiazide diuretics is not due to volume contraction and decreased preload. Loop diuretics (furosamide, et. al.) are a different matter, and I would agree that loop diuretics are not appropriate for athletes. |
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i realize HTCZ isn't a loop diuretic, but unfortunately all too often it is a loop diuretic that is the initial order.
I am confused by your statement about hydralizine. i realize is is a potent afterload reduction agent, but i have seen profound drops in SBP when giving it, infact most times it is ordered for systolic hypertension, especially when there is a component of renal failure or inotropic inpairment of contractility, inorder to avoid the negative inotropic effects of some of the other classes of drugs. Alpha and Beta antagonists both affect SBP do they not? Quote:
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I have seen systolic pressure reduction from hydralizine, but only at doses above those that cause significant reduction in diastolic hypertension. In most patients, if hydralizine is the sole agent used, by the time systolic pressure is controlled, diastolic pressure is so low that the patient has orthostatic hypotension. ACE inhibitors, ARBs, and thiazides tend to have a bigger effect on systolic pressure than on diastolic pressure, which tends to reduce the incidence of orthostatic hypotension. Yes, alpha and beta blockers lower systolic pressure, but they are not direct vasodilators. Alpha blockers block vasoconstriction, but they do not directly cause vasodilation. Also, the antihypertensive effects of alpha blockers do not last in the long term, and pure alpha blockers are rarely used. Mixed alpha and beta blockers, like carvedilol and lebatolol, on the other hand, do have a place, but not in athletes with uncomplicated essential hypertension. Beta blockers block the increased heart rate response from vasodilation, and they do lower both systolic and diastolic pressure to about the same degree, but again, they are not what I was referring to as direct vasodilators. While I have no problems with low dose thiazide diuretics to control blood pressure in athletes, I would not recommend a beta blocker as first-line therapy. The major problem is that beta blockers block the increase in heart rate that would be necessary to maintain performance under stress. Thiazide diuretics (again, at reasonable doses) and ACE inhibitors or ARBs would have much less impact on performance, yet are effective at controlling blood pressure and have proven records at preventing the long term detrimental effects of hypertension. |
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