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Old 21-08.-2003, 02:16 AM   #16
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no no no, i meant how we use all that petrol which makes polution which ruins the ozone etc. i was just saying that the sooner we got to solar power the better.

nasa has sent stuff up in to see if we can live in space. we dont need to, we could take the billions of dollars they have used and use it to feed homeless, help drought stricken, etc.


Yes, the internal combustion engine does put out a lot of foul smelling by-products. However, the belief that this is ruining the ozone layer is a myth unsupportable by science. You can always find a "scientist" or two who will swear to anything, but the science is the ozone layer is pretty much immune to auto exhaust.

Solar power is not viable. It may work on a small scale, but what do you do at night or when there is cloud cover? Storage batteries? You want a bunch of storage batteries in your basement, with the acid and fumes coming off them? You may, but I sure don't.

Wind farms? The technology is far from perfected and it is not an ecnomically viable alternative. Besides, the environmentalists who say this is the answer don't want any of the windfarms anywhere near where they live.

So all we have to do is close the doors at NASA and use the money to solve all the countries problems? What about all the people who work at NASA, the industries that exist solely or almost solely to support NASA and space flight? What about all the good things that have been invented for the space program that have become invaluable in our everyday life, like Teflon?

We could just as easily disestablish the EPA and use that money to clean up smokestacks, exhaust fumes, and other "pollutants." We could even use EPA's money to study the manufacture of artificaial ozone. How about the Departments of Education, HHS, Agriculture, and countless bureaus and organizations that have no authority for existence? We could take that money and turn it back to the states, where the problem of the homeless can be better handled.

But, then, we run into the same problems as with NASA. One man's cash cow is another man's life and livelihood.
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....ok.

everything seams a lot simpler when ur 14...
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Old 22-08.-2003, 07:00 AM   #18
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everything seams a lot simpler when ur 14...


Twisties, I am sorry for going off like that, and you are so right that when you are 14 everything is very simple. I am just a tad older than you, in fact, I have children that are more than twice your age.

Hang in there and as you get older things tend to get a lot more involved. Wait a minute! Do a Peter Pan and stay 14 forever!
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Old 25-09.-2003, 07:42 AM   #19
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When is that "some day?" Some predictions say it is several centuries in the future. Others say we ran out of all petroleum in 1968. The truth is no one knows, but the known and scientifically estimated reserves today are enough to keep us awash in relatively cheap gasoline for the next 200 years.

Yes, someday, it will run out. But by that time, the internal combustion engine will be as dead as the dinosaur's that produced the oil in the first place.

Use what money? The petroleum industry in the U.S. is largely private enterprise. If you want to force them to spend their money on so-called "alternative fuels," you have crossed the line of the Constitution. Worse yet, you have ventured into despotism.

When an alternative fuel becomes commercially viable, it will be exploited and marketed by private business. The free market works each and every time it is tried.

What problems? As far as I can tell, there are relatively few energy relatede problems in the U.S. There are problems with government interferrence, there are problems with the courts butting in and not letting industry build a new power plant, especially nuclear powered, since 1979. The problem is not energy, it is people dead-set against progress.



I say we build all the nations Nuclear Power plants right there in Maryland right in your back yard. And hope we dont have a Six Mile Island meltdown like it nearly happened. Or how about Savanna?
Don't be so quick to build nuclear. That waste sticks around for many years after you are dead and gone and forgotten. It sticks around so long that nobody can guarantee that the usa will be even speaking english or even be on this planet called earth.
So yeah. You want Nuclear power. Build it in your back yard and bury your nuclear waste with a half-life of 10.000 years in your front yard, not mine.
Want that right in your back yard?
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Old 25-09.-2003, 08:29 PM   #20
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what does the world have against cyclists?! we try to do our bit for the world, and what do we get?! yelled at by the selfish people of the world today! not all of us are selfish, not many at all, but when it comes to cyclists, the world wishes that we were dead!


Ya know, Twisties, what they really resent is that we are out there moving our butts and doing something that is ecologically and idealogically sound, we are enjoying ourselves, getting some excercise instead of just sitting behind the wheel of some fat oversized car, polluting ourselves and the rest of the world. It's like the way SOME smokers look at you when you quit smoking: They wish they had the "couilles" (pardon my French) to do the same thing, but they're still there polluting themselves and everyone around. They're just jealous they're not doing the right thing, dammit.

Or maybe we cyclists just look hotter than most motorists do (for all of the above reasons), so they're trying to kill us all off ... they don't like the competition.

I was thinking about printing up some small cards with the road regulations concerning cyclist printed up on them. ANybody try that already?


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