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Old 18-10.-2005, 11:17 PM   #31
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Lindsay, my main purpose in pointing out to the OP that FT is not part of the NP calculation is that NP can indeed be used for his stated purpose. If FT were part of the calculation of NP, it would be Catch-22: "NP will help you estimate your FT, but only if you know your FT." Most of our rides are variable power rides and AP would understate max sustainable CP power. But, NP brilliantly solves that problem and converts a VP effort to a CP equivalent. NP is so cool!
My mistake Paul, I thought the algorithm needed a figure for threshold; that's actually just helped answer another problem I thought I had (but now I don't)!

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Old 19-10.-2005, 12:11 AM   #32
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My mistake Paul, I thought the algorithm needed a figure for threshold; that's actually just helped answer another problem I thought I had (but now I don't)!

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As an aside, Lindsay, I can't even estimate how long it took me to understand what's going on with NP. I was hung up for what seems like forever on the issue of power relative to FT. I was somehow trying to make FT into some sort of line of demarcation for the weighting of power -- that power levels >FT were weighted in a different way vs. power levels <FT. I realize now that I went down this path because of the blood lactate/power chart, which appears to be two distinct relationships: relatively linear below FT and exponential above FT. And, it didn't help that IF and TSS raw use FT in the algorithms. It was only after I built a spreadsheet to replicate the computation algorithms of NP, IF and TSS against actual CP files that I was able to see what's going on. As I learned, NP has nothing to do with FT, but FT has everything to do with NP, if that makes any sense. FT's role in NP is not in the computation algorithm but in one's ability to produce a given NP. And, of course, FT is a function of duration. The opportunities to exploit these relationships is huge and we have not even scratched the surface. And, do you know what I find most interesting? UCI rules are absolutely silent on the issue of data available to the cyclist. The only limitations at the moment are our imaginations. Cheers.
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Old 19-10.-2005, 12:35 AM   #33
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When you select the Peak 60min range, and the stats show up in the summary below, the NP for that range appears there. While it's possible that the Peak 60min range does not also possess the highest 60min NP for the workout, I believe the 60min Peak AP and 60min Peak NP ranges will usually coincide.
I now recall one of the reasons that I do the 2-step selection method that I use. I'm not ready to state this categorically, but I think the Peak xx Min ranges in the summary stats do not have to be continuous ranges. I first noticed this on my weekend rides, because my ride club has a rest/regroup stop about midway on the ride. So, if the peak 10 minute range happens to be, say, 5 minutes before the stop and 5 minutes after the stop, I think CP will count this as the Peak 10 Min range. That's misleading.
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Old 19-10.-2005, 02:01 AM   #34
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I now recall one of the reasons that I do the 2-step selection method that I use. I'm not ready to state this categorically, but I think the Peak xx Min ranges in the summary stats do not have to be continuous ranges. I first noticed this on my weekend rides, because my ride club has a rest/regroup stop about midway on the ride. So, if the peak 10 minute range happens to be, say, 5 minutes before the stop and 5 minutes after the stop, I think CP will count this as the Peak 10 Min range. That's misleading.

I don't think I'd be worried about my Peak Power figures on a club ride with regroups, so that wouldn't bother me.
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Old 19-10.-2005, 02:14 AM   #35
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I don't think I'd be worried about my Peak Power figures on a club ride with regroups, so that wouldn't bother me.
Maybe not, but it's a little computational idiosyncrasy that one should be aware of when looking at charts such as mean maximal NP over a period of time.
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Old 19-10.-2005, 06:26 AM   #36
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Maybe not, but it's a little computational idiosyncrasy that one should be aware of when looking at charts such as mean maximal NP over a period of time.

I suppose, but my implied point was that I wouldn't expect to be 'setting the curve' on that type of ride. I concede that it *could* happen, so your point is valid and accepted.
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