Chavez bytch-slaps Bush at UN

16-09.-2005, 10:32 PM

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Chavez bytch-slaps Bush at UN

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UNITED NATIONS ( AP) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez took President Bush to task in front of a global summit for waging war in Iraq without U.N. consent and won rousing applause for his critique.

The leftist leader told a U.N. summit on Thursday that fighting the war without U.N. authorization showed Washington did not respect the world body. He recommended moving U.N. headquarters to a country that has more regard for the organization.

``There were never weapons of mass destruction but Iraq was bombed, and over U.N. objections, (it was) occupied and continues being occupied,'' Chavez said. Bush alleged that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction but none have been found, shattering one of his main arguments for going to war.

``That's why we propose to this assembly that the United Nations leave this country, which is not respectful of the very resolutions of this assembly,'' Chavez said.

Chavez, a close ally of Cuban leader Fidel Castro, suggested moving U.N. headquarters New York to an international city ``outside the sovereignty of any state'' and said some have mentioned Jerusalem as one possibility.

But the Venezuelan leader said the new headquarters has to be in the South, home to most developing countries.

Bush was not in the audience when Chavez spoke to the world representatives. But the U.S. president did address the summit's the opening session on Wednesday morning, then returned to Washington later that day.

World leaders at the summit had been asked to speak for five minutes but Chavez ran long and when the presiding diplomat passed him a note saying his time was up, he threw it on the floor. He said if Bush could speak for 20 minutes, so could he.

When he finally stopped, he got what observers said was the loudest applause of the summit.

Relations between Chavez and Washington have become increasingly strained, though the United States remains the top buyer of Venezuelan oil.

Chavez repeatedly has accused the U.S. government of backing plots against him, and recently alleged Washington was preparing to invade his country.

American religious broadcaster Pat Robertson recently suggested the United States assassinate Chavez because he poses a threat. Chavez responded that Robertson had clearly ``expressed the wish of the elite that govern the United States.'' Robertson has since apologized.

U.S. officials strongly deny the Venezuelan leader's claims but have expressed concerns about the health of the country's democracy under Chavez, who was first elected in 1998 pledging a social ``revolution'' for the poor majority.

The two leaders have clashed over a host of other issues as well.

Bush criticized Venezuela's government earlier Thursday, saying the South American nation had ``failed demonstrably'' to make a concerted effort to block shipments of illicit narcotics to the United States and Europe last year.

Venezuela could have been subjected to a cutoff of U.S. assistance, but Bush decided to waive the provision because of national security interests.

In early August, Chavez accused the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration of using its agents in Venezuela for espionage, and said Venezuela was suspending cooperation with the agency. The Bush administration denied the espionage charge.

Chavez, whose country is the world's fifth-largest oil exporter, also warned the world is facing an unprecedented energy crisis.

He told reporters later the crisis will keep growing, ``not because we the producers want it but because we are running out of oil.''

Chavez singled out the United States as the most wasteful country, saying he was shocked when a quarter of all the cars he counted Thursday morning on New York streets had one person in them.

``That's crazy, one person with a huge car ... that is using up gas and polluting the atmosphere,'' he said at a news conference. ``The world cannot tolerate this model of development called the American way of life.''

In a form of energy diplomacy, Chavez has extended a preferential oil trade deal called PetroCaribe to 13 Caribbean countries in what he says is part of a plan to challenge U.S. economic domination of the region.

Under the plan, Venezuela will soon sell up to 190,000 barrels of fuel a day to countries from Jamaica to St. Lucia, offering favorable financing while shipping fuel directly to reduce costs. It is expected to help those countries save millions of dollars.

Associated Press writer Ian James in Caracas, Venezuela, contributed to this report.

You GO, Hugo!

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16-09.-2005, 11:51 PM

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uh-oh, a true enemy of bushco, not only wants to control over his nations' resources and banking, but is critical of the us as it stands today.

this speaking one's own mind and what one believes in, this is a true offense to the bushco vision of freedom.

and popularly elected, to boot. but how can we demonize a south american?
more difficult than an arab, after all, as so many of our poverty draft soldiers are latino.

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You GO, Hugo!

17-09.-2005, 08:24 AM	#3
Wurm Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,148	Re: Chavez bytch-slaps Bush at UN Chavez won't take his marching orders from DC, and that just burns the BushCo's asses. __________________ "Bush is the first President to admit to an impeachable offense." - John Dean, former Counsel to the President (Nixon) The aim of big corporations is to separate fools from their money all of the time and ordinary folks from their money most of the time. The rest of us must fend for ourselves.

22-09.-2005, 04:31 PM

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Chavez won't take his marching orders from DC, and that just burns the BushCo's asses.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Ever visit Venezula?

23-09.-2005, 01:23 AM

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Ever visit Venezula?

What does this have to do with visiting there? The CIA and other U.S. gov't agencies are well-known to foster coups and takeovers in foreign countries, especially Repug administrations - ie: Ike in Iran, Reagan in Panama, various Latin Amer. & African nations, then there's Iraq....

23-09.-2005, 01:49 AM

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Answer the damn question, The reality is you have never been to Venezula to see the abject poverty, corruption and crime.

The CIA has NOTHING to do with this. Answer the question.

I see you are an idiot. Iran foundered under Carter's term. Panama was invaded when Bush 41 was president. And Liberia? Yes, it was founded by repatriated Africans under US influence, hence its name and the name of its capitol city, Monrovia. How utterly colonial of us.

Just how short was that bus you rode to school?

23-09.-2005, 01:57 AM

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Wow! He conveniently left out Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs. Or Kennedy/Johnson and Vietnam. Clinton and Kosovo. Wonder why he didn't mention those?

23-09.-2005, 04:59 AM

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and popularly elected, to boot.

And we all know how fair and honest all elects are. My father has voted the straight democratic ticket, in every election in Chicago, from 1930 to 2004. Oh, did I mention that my father died in 1983?
And I understand that when the New Orleans cemeteries flooded and the coffins floated off, Mayor Ray lost a good portion of his voter support.

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23-09.-2005, 06:07 AM	#10
Weisse Luft Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,305	Re: Chavez bytch-slaps Bush at UN Well, no one has mentioned how great vacationing in Venezula is....BECAUSE IT IS A HELL-HOLE. Why? Because when the petroleum was nationalized in 1975, all assets that were privately owned became government property. ANd they ran it into the ground, reaping short-term profits and killing the goose that laid golden eggs. Then they clamored for assistance from the original owners, groveling for technical assistance because the soldiers running the operation could successuflly navigate their nostrils with their fingers, much less operate a highly technical industry. It still is a place where workers die daily in the fields and plants because they are a bunch of arrogant, ignorant bastards. Yet they want all the rewards from sale of oil and refuse to maintain the equipment until it breaks and causes a shut-down. PDVSA is the most corrupt state oil agency in the world and the least reliable. Makes PEMEX look like Valero. Even PetroBras that lost a semisub a few years ago is managed much better. So, anybody out there vacation in Venezula? I have been once but it was far from a vacation.

23-09.-2005, 06:16 AM

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and popularly elected, to boot. but how can we demonize a south american?

Ever notice that when leftists or Democrats are elected its a fair election, but if a conservative is elected......

23-09.-2005, 12:18 PM

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Iran foundered under Carter's term. Panama was invaded when Bush 41 was president. And Liberia? Yes, it was founded by repatriated Africans under US influence, hence its name and the name of its capitol city, Monrovia. How utterly colonial of us.

Where do you get your info from, Einstein - Newsmax & Faux News??

Obviously, you're ignorant about many things, including the U.S. coup in Iran in the '50s, (does the name Mossadeq ring a bell?) - which was well before Khomeini's (not Carter's) Iranian Revolution. Or can't you subtract 1953 from 1979?

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB28/

Panama was well underway by the CIA during "Well...look what's Trickling Down...my leg" Ronnie's tenure, as was Nicaragua and pretty much every state in Latin America. The problem was Noriega wouldn't cooperate, so he had to go. By then the only way it could be done was to dig him out of his mansion physically with U.S. troops.

Business as usual. Of course, if you'd stop drinking the Rethug Kool-Aid you might know that.

CIA has MUCH to do with wanting Chavez to tow the corporate-Rethug line, but they and the Neo-Cons are pissed that he too won't cooperate. There's just too much oil potential there to ignore.

Liberia is another oil state. Smaller reserves than many, but it has the black gold that BushCo so covets control of nonetheless. Hmm...why did we nearly instantly send Marines there what, just last year, but did nothing to help Sudan? Who do you think you're kidding, nitwit?

And let's not forget what happened to Haiti in what was it, Feb. '04, when the Marines went in and removed Aristide (who was duly and democratically elected) at gunpoint and exiled him to the Central African Rep. You should ask Colin Powell about that one.

Weisse Luft? LOL! Translation: Air Amateur.

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23-09.-2005, 01:18 PM	#13
Weisse Luft Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,305	Re: Chavez bytch-slaps Bush at UN But you have yet to answer me...ever been to Venezula?

23-09.-2005, 08:25 PM

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But you have yet to answer me...ever been to Venezula?

I thought the answer was obvious.

But once again, you're diverting from the issue.

While we're at it, here's a bit of truth about your Panama fantasy:

How to Start a War: The American Use of War Pretext Incidents (1848-1989)

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1989: The Invasion of Panama

CONTEXT The Panama Canal has dominated Panama’s history. US military invasions and interventions occurred in 1895, 1901-1903, 1908, 1912, 1918-1920, 1925, 1950, 1958, 1964 and 1989.84

In November 1903, US troops ensured Panama’s secession from Colombia. Within days, a treaty gave the US permanent and exclusive control of the canal.85

Former Panamanian military leader, Manuel Noriega, recruited by US military intelligence in 1959, attended the US Army School of the Americas in 1967 and led Panama’s military intelligence the next year. By 1975, the US Drug Enforcement Agency knew of Noriega’s drug dealing. He met, then-CIA Director, George Bush in 1976.86

In 1977, Presidents Jimmy Carter and Omar Torrijos, signed a treaty to return the canal to Panamanian control in 1999. Other Americans undermined the treaty using “diplomatic…and political pressure, through to economic aggression and military invasion.”87

In the early-1980s, Noriega’s drug smuggling helped fund the contras in Nicaragua. He took control of Panama’s National Guard in 1983 and helped rig elections in 1984. Falling from US favour, the US indicted Noriega for drug crimes in 1988.88

On April 14, 1988, Reagan invoked “war powers” against Panama. In May, the Assistant Defense Secretary told the Senate: “I don’t think anyone has totally discarded the use of force.”89

PRETEXT On December 16, 1989, there was what media called an “unprovoked attack on a US soldier who did not return fire.”90 The soldier was killed when driving “through a military roadblock near a sensitive military area.”91 Panama’s government said “U.S. officers…fired at a military headquarters, wounding a soldier and…a 1-year-old girl. A wounded Panamanian soldier…confirmed this account to U.S. reporters.”92 The wife of a US officer was reportedly arrested and beaten.

RESPONSE George Bush called the attack on US soldiers an “enormous outrage”93 and said he “would not stand by while American womanhood is threatened.”94 Noam Chomsky questions why Bush “stood by” when a US nun was kidnapped and sexually abused by Guatemalan police only weeks earlier, when two US nuns were killed by contras in Nicaragua on January 1, 1990, and when a US nun was wounded by gunmen in El Salvador around the same time.95

The US media demonized Noriega and turned the “‘Noriega’ issue into an accepted justification for the invasion…. Colonel Eduardo Herrera, ex-Director of [Panama’s] ‘Public Forces,’…said: “If the real interest of the US was to capture Noriega, they could have done so on numerous occasions. [They] had all of his movements completely controlled.”96

On December 20, 1989, “Operation Just Cause” began. More than 4,000 were killed. US crimes included indiscriminate attacks, extra judicial executions, arbitrary detentions, destruction of property (like leveling the Chorrillo neighborhood), use of prohibited weapons, erasing evidence and mass burials.97

A US-friendly president, Guillermo Endara, was soon sworn in on a US military base.

REAL REASONS The Carter-Torrijos Treaty was torn up and the Panama’s military was dismantled.

A right-wing, US think tank stated in 1988 that: “once [Panama] is controlled by a democratic regime….discussions should begin with respect to a realistic defense of the Canal after…2000. These discussions should include the maintenance, by the US, of a limited number of military installations in Panama…to maintain adequate projection of force in the western hemisphere.”98

The invasion was a testing ground for new weapons, such as the B-2 bomber (worth US $2.2 billion) that was used for the first time.

The invasion also: · rectified “Bush's ‘wimpy’ foreign relations image” · gave a “spectacular show of U.S. military might in the final months before the Nicaraguan elections, hinting…that they might want to vote for the ‘right’ candidate.” · “sent a signal…that the US…[would] intervene militarily where the control of illegal drugs was ostensibly at stake. · “demonstrated the new U.S. willingness to assume active, interventionist leadership of the ‘new world order’ in the post-Cold War period.”99

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