We're "making progress" in Iraq??

crithater

I have never heard so much left wing bullshit in my life. While war is a terrible thing, there are times when war must be fought. And this is one of those times. Iran is going to one of those times if a nuclear weapons program (and for all who believe it for electricity are very mistaken) is not curtailed. We had problems with some National guard troops, but nothing like terrorist cutting off peoples heads as they pleaded for their lives. The British and the Americans are trying to make these peoples lives better, but like most liberals who have the attention span of an eight year old this has to be done overnight. I'm wearing my red, white and blue brooklyn jersey tomorrow on my commute tomorrow just to piss off morons like you......Mike

davidmc

U R smart What did Iraq have to do w/ 9-11 I await your well reasoned response. Take your time, you're going to need it As I type this, the Majority of American people believe Iraq was/is a disaster w/ no viable pretext. What say you Incidentally, I'm a vet from the 80's era.

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Wurm

Hey Mikey -

Don't forget to stop during that ride to torture a few ragheaded sandniggers, should you see any along the way. Better yet, why don't you drag your useless ass (or your kids') over to Eye-Rack and have at it? With any luck, you might drive over an IED, and we'd all be one less Brainless Bush Fan better off.

If you were a true patriot, you'd want the BushCo's heads on a fucking platter. But you're not.

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lyotard

a far fetched comparison here in any measurable terms, these horrid acts you describe are isolated incidents in comparison to the toll of the us led invasions and it's continuing aftermath, i do not point this out to minimize these acts,
rather to provide a basis by which to come to conclusions on that does not rely on sensationalist news coverage.

these acts are no more excusable than the "shock and awe" intent stated by the bush warmongers.

after all, how much of the toll on the very people you are professing the us is helping makes it to the radar screen of middle america? like keepin' track of body counts of civilians killed and wouded? and how many of these were defensless babies, children and elderly? or the amount of radioactive contamination left from the us dropping of depleted uranium bombs? how bout the total tonnage of bombs dropped, and how much of this was on civilian targets? heard of the fuel-air bombs dropped in afganistan? or that the us leads the list as the #1 human rights violator as reported by amnesty international?
then there is the bombing of schools, hospitals, villiages, mosques and other civilian centers. we must not ignore the use of cluster bombs and the number of deaths and maimings these have brought upon the populus.

left wing? you toss this phrase out without having a leg to stand on in terms of attached meaning, we are talking here about humanitarianism, when (choose your label if you must generalize, as these terms have all morphed into meaninglessness) the right wing, or conservative disregards fundamental human rights in the name of us domination and superiority he then adopts a mindset truly as poisonous as the acts you mention, and far from anything resembling america.
at least not of any america that i could be proud of.

as for claiming these acts to be "terrorist", the definition of terrorist is different when invoked by bush to provide emotional support for war a war based on deception than from when described by the arab american anti defamation league, as the latter defintion would include violence against a nation or people to further a business or politcal agenda... do we see a criminal intent here? and the guilty bushco parties?

try fascist, dictataorship, totalitarian, imperialist, adventurist, and colonialist, labels such as these have been applied to goverments which have faded from acceptance in humanitarian terms. it is due time to add the bush criminal syndicate neo-conservatism to this list of rejects.

MountainPro

the French tricolour? good for you..

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Eldron

[QUOTE=davidmc]By FRANK RICH
yadda yaddaQUOTE]

Phrases all great investigative journlism include by Eldron the Cyclingforums member (all words straight from Frank Rich's article):

transfer of sovereignty and the purple fingers all blur into a hallucinatory loop of delusion

bumper-sticker politics or the slick left-wing political operatives who have turned her into a circus

expose both the intellectual bankruptcy of its remaining supporters on the right and the utter bankruptcy of the Democrats who had rubber-stamped this misadventure in the first place

could not be a better formula for quagmire.

...and a whole lot more!

Talk about emotive editing. You can't actually take an article like that seriously...

Bottom line is this - you believe the war is wrong - I believe the war is barely justifiable.

Let's hope the Iraqi constitution will be ratified soon and the people in Iraq actually get what everybody has been promising them: a workable democracy free from a murderous dictator.

And an oil price above $70/barrel.

Wurm

Apparently the French wouldn't have him, so he had to shift to Brooklyn?

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Wurm

The only way that will happen is if/when the Neo-Con junta vacates the country.

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Eldron

Not sure about that. Problem is that right now the US have stripped the iraqi people of what little protection/authority there was. Leaving now will just subject them to a take over by the strongest warlord(s).

The need to fulfill their duty - get the constitution working, get the police force up and running etc.

limerickman

It's a mess - a total and utter mess.

Some of us predicted this two years - and now it looks like civil war in Iraq is in the making.

Vietnamisation of Iraq is an American issue.

I am more concerned about Iraq and it's people instead of what is happening to American soldiers and American politicians.

The Iraqi people have been duped by George Bush and America.

Wurm

According to the latest figures I've seen, there are only about 3000 Iraqi "police" that are actually trained and ready to do anything, so at this rate, it'll take 80-100 years to have enough to secure the country. It's not going to happen with the various factions fighting for control.

The best-case is that the U.S. and others get out, period. The Iraqi's will simply have to duke it out for themselves, because they DO NOT WANT US THERE!

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crithater

Why what a brillant reply....You must have stayed up night on that one.....I'm sorry but I just don't see Abu grab-ass as torture. There is worst hazying on American colleges than that happend there. If a little embrassment or sleep deprivation saves one Iraqi, British or American life then so be it. Why don't you just you the use the same tired liberal line that the prison is just like a Nazi death camp.....Why do you want his head on platter? So you and your WURMY friends can have a place to live......Bite Me....Your friend always...Mikey

crithater

Sorry I ride a bike, I don't run......Mike

crithater

You must be a Raider Fan, because you are a moron.....And stop having Howard Dean write your replys.....Mikey (so named by my friend wurm)