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05-08.-2005, 04:48 AM
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Re: My experience with drugs and blood doping
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05-08.-2005, 05:46 AM
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Re: My experience with drugs and blood doping
HUH all Flyers post are gone on cyclingforums.com.............somebody doesn't like him posting here????????????????
Wonder why he is gone...........on purpose or forced tooooooo!??? Quote:
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05-08.-2005, 05:49 AM
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Re: My experience with drugs and blood doping
Flyer is not a joke! I happen to be an ex-pro, yes euro pelaton pro and let me tell all of the riders out there, drugs are a huge part of ALL sports and of course cycling as well. Are there clean athletes "yes" are there dirty athletes "yes". Was I dirty "yes"
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05-08.-2005, 05:50 AM
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05-08.-2005, 06:12 AM
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Re: My experience with drugs and blood doping
Oke youre a (euro) pro........which races have you ridden?? Which years....not saying you need to reveal everything, which you probably won't? Omerta still rules the peloton right? I mean none of the dopers on this forum are going to speak up who they are???
Also I wonder why the timing of a lot of people who are posting here the last few days...........since LA retired it seems like people are speaking up? Comments I'm interested! Quote:
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05-08.-2005, 08:50 AM
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Go to the endurance board on this site.....the rest is for body builders. |
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05-08.-2005, 11:15 AM
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Re: My experience with drugs and blood doping
I don't think we should discourage those riders with experience with EPO, test., etc. from speaking up and detailing their exposure/use.
An important point I took away from Timan's thread is that, even with drug use, the risk far outweighs the gain in the vast majority of riders. Even with the best drugs, there are still no guarantees- the truth is, for a rider to earn big income from cycling and make drug use "worth it," I would guess the rider must already full of supernatural riding skill. I simply don't believe that these drugs could even turn a high level/mid-pack rider into a sprinting Superman - the numbers don't bear it out. I mean, a gain of 60 watts on 350 watts of power might mean, maybe 1.8 or even 2 mph sustainable per 40k. Don't get me wrong, those are great numbers- but pro TT numbers??? Worth heart failure??? I've always said that I hope the pro peloton is totally clean - and left it at that. The reality is that, whether they dope or not, they are absolute rulers of the sport and are unbelievable to watch. Call them cheaters if you want - but watching them never fails to get me on that bike. |
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05-08.-2005, 11:26 AM
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Re: My experience with drugs and blood doping
If Timan was so forthcoming why is he avoiding answering my questions? His attitude indicated that he wanted to share, but his reality is that he doesn't. Sounds like someone else we used to know, without the threats and accusations of doping and selling dope.
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05-08.-2005, 11:33 AM
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Re: My experience with drugs and blood doping
House: and I'm not trying to start any argument or even take any side on the issue - again, the only thing I assert is that I hope very much that the pro's are supernatural and clean.
I understand the issues of proof, etc., but in your personal opinion, do you believe the overwhelming majority of riders in the pro peloton are clean? |
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05-08.-2005, 12:00 PM
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By the way I have no problem having an intelligent discussion about doping. I have problems with the in your face, repeat one thing over and over, lie, tell half-truths and always attack methods of others. When someone wants to have a real discussion I am cool with that, just look at VeloFlash and I recently. |
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05-08.-2005, 12:41 PM
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Re: My experience with drugs and blood doping
I've had experience in several sports, from competitive club level to NCAA. I have seen the pressures on many athletes of the sporting institution itself, as well as the pressure from the ego of the athlete him/herself.
How could a super-naturally, gifted rider sit and watch a seemingly lesser rider on EPO fly by him/her on climbs, sprints, etc. How could the ego deal with that? I think about it from the perspective of TdF team, domestique rider #10, pushing to replace the 9th guy in a Grand Tour. Brutal. The margin of talent between the riders in the pro peloton is SO slim, even from Armstrong to #189 - at that level, any fractional edge might work wonders ... and at that level, imagine how hard it must be to get there clean, much less stay clean ... |
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05-08.-2005, 02:34 PM
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Re: My experience with drugs and blood doping
But just to add to the post I wrote above, my understanding of the pressures involved don't suggest that I advocate, nor do I condemn athletes for making any decision related to PED's. Both sides of the argument speak to me in some way. The disgust I would feel for any filtering down of drug use into little league is as compelling an argument as the sympathy toward a struggling pro faced with an ulimatum of using carefully monitored supplements or losing a life-long dream.
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05-08.-2005, 02:54 PM
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What do you want me to say House.....give my full real name and teams etc ...why would I tell you that. If I give my name etc then anyone could look me up simply by finding a trail.... and why would I give access to myself and family ...I have a wife and three small children. All I will say is that I raced Cat 1 for 13 long years starting in 1985. I could have raced Cat 1 into my forties but I had kids. I won plenty of races and was in the top 50 national Cat 1 riders in tt and road races. I blood doped one season and did testosterone and epo the next which was way less than many..so I had some talent. I thought that if I doped I might get a pro contract.....but even though I could have raced pro nobody picked me up because I was older. I am 43 years old now and still race masters and I am drug free and my enjoyment in riding comes from keeping up to and often beating young Cat 1 riders in tough group rides. The masters racing is very very tough and I also enjoy winning the occasional race in the masters...even though I know for a fact that not a few are juicing even in the masters. House you don't have to catch people "red handed" to know "something is up"....when a guy all of a sudden and within a matter of weeks starts to kick your ass when in the past he didn't then "rest assured" he is juicing. In the masters testosterone is the most widely used juice because they can rationalize it's use by thinking that their natural T levels have declined since age 30....which is usually BS. Most get the stuff from their family docs and it's called hormone replacement therapy....then they tweek it up to high normal or more. Last edited by TiMan : 05-08.-2005 at 03:07 PM. |
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05-08.-2005, 11:36 PM
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Re: My experience with drugs and blood doping
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I never asked for your name, merely what team you rode for and some of your results, but you couldn't give them. I asked where the proof that your first post implied and you have none. Which is the point I was getting at. You are just another person who claims they "know" what everyone is doing but can't provide any proof. We all know there is doping in cycling...and every other sport, but if you are going to claim everyone is doing it as a fact then bring real proof. |
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05-08.-2005, 11:56 PM
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Re: My experience with drugs and blood doping
The question I have for TiMan is:
Why did you use so little testosterone? A standard first steroid cycle is at least 500mg/wk. Why didn't you use other products like EQ or deca with the test, which would have helped even more? |
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