Great doping forum link

Originally Posted by TiMan

. . . unless you are pretty darn sure that you have the genetics, youth and the time needed to make make a decent living off our sport.

TiMan

Originally Posted by kennf

Unless?? Gee, that's quite a bold anti-doping stance you're taking there.

Bro.

Originally Posted by TiMan

Yes it is....these drugs aren't cheap and they do have some risk. What's the point in taking them if you don't have the genetics and time to become a top Cat 1 rider and aspiring pro?
Now if you have the genetics.....and you'll know if you do very quickly....and you have the time to train a ton with few other responsibilities in life, and have youth on your side AND you would like to become a pro then that's a different story. In fact then it sooner or latter becomes pretty much "a given".

Originally Posted by Dead Star

thanks a lot for that link mate. It really is enlightening stuff, and I'd recommend everyone to have a look at the posts of the said members on there.

i thought this just about says it all about a lot of cycling veterans. we only ever heard about hinault/merckx/indurain. guys who won the tour. then of course, there's people who were nearly there, but never did quite make it (From that link):


I have a number of contacts in the pro scene - both in the media and actual cyclists.

You're well aware that EPO was PED of choice in the early 1990's in the pro scene.
EPO was very prominently used in Italy.
Pantani's case is well known.
Less well known is the case of Gianni Bugno.
You may have heard of him - twice world champion,
TDF runnerup to Indurain - podium placed TDF cyclist
and Giro winner.

Bugno used EPO extensively during his career.
So much so that since retiring, Gianni has had a few scares.
Too much EPO usage can turn your blood to treacle
which - as you well know - can be fatal.
My media colleague is a good friend of Gianni's and he tells me that Bugno has been rushed to hospital several times with suspected heartattacks/strokes.
Gianni has been forced to wear a contraption which measures his blood pressure and other vital signs, when he goes to bed at night.
If the vital signs start to stray in to dangerous territory, Gianni is automatically awoken by a loud clarion call, and has to take orally an antidote to make sure that his BP and other vital signs return to normal.

Bugno has told my friend that this will be the case for the rest of his days - and that he is required to go for a full ECT scan every three months to monitor his circulation and his general well being.
All because of repeated EPO usage.

Gianni admitted to my friend that he would now trade all those fleeting moments of glory to have his health back.
He also suffers from crippling depression and said that
once the fanfare died away - that he alone is left to pick up the pieces.
Gianni has never settled down with a woman (even though he's a good looking fellow with plenty of female admirers) because he is not prepared to have children given what he has ingested over the years

Originally Posted by kennf

I'm fairly certain you completely misunderstood my point.

Originally Posted by TiMan

Gotten a few nasty e-mails about this post......

I would like to say that I posted it for the good of the riders on this forum that do or will take drugs. The forum is first and foremost concerned about safety.

Personally I did not like taking dope an don't recommend it, unless you are pretty darn sure that you have the genetics, youth and the time needed to make make a decent living off our sport.

TiMan

Originally Posted by Dead Star

thanks a lot for that link mate. It really is enlightening stuff, and I'd recommend everyone to have a look at the posts of the said members on there.

i thought this just about says it all about a lot of cycling veterans. we only ever heard about hinault/merckx/indurain. guys who won the tour. then of course, there's people who were nearly there, but never did quite make it (From that link):


I have a number of contacts in the pro scene - both in the media and actual cyclists.

You're well aware that EPO was PED of choice in the early 1990's in the pro scene.
EPO was very prominently used in Italy.
Pantani's case is well known.
Less well known is the case of Gianni Bugno.
You may have heard of him - twice world champion,
TDF runnerup to Indurain - podium placed TDF cyclist
and Giro winner.

Bugno used EPO extensively during his career.
So much so that since retiring, Gianni has had a few scares.
Too much EPO usage can turn your blood to treacle
which - as you well know - can be fatal.
My media colleague is a good friend of Gianni's and he tells me that Bugno has been rushed to hospital several times with suspected heartattacks/strokes.
Gianni has been forced to wear a contraption which measures his blood pressure and other vital signs, when he goes to bed at night.
If the vital signs start to stray in to dangerous territory, Gianni is automatically awoken by a loud clarion call, and has to take orally an antidote to make sure that his BP and other vital signs return to normal.

Bugno has told my friend that this will be the case for the rest of his days - and that he is required to go for a full ECT scan every three months to monitor his circulation and his general well being.
All because of repeated EPO usage.

Gianni admitted to my friend that he would now trade all those fleeting moments of glory to have his health back.
He also suffers from crippling depression and said that
once the fanfare died away - that he alone is left to pick up the pieces.
Gianni has never settled down with a woman (even though he's a good looking fellow with plenty of female admirers) because he is not prepared to have children given what he has ingested over the years

Originally Posted by TiMan

Gotten a few nasty e-mails about this post......

I would like to say that I posted it for the good of the riders on this forum that do or will take drugs. The forum is first and foremost concerned about safety.

Personally I did not like taking dope an don't recommend it, unless you are pretty darn sure that you have the genetics, youth and the time needed to make make a decent living off our sport.

TiMan