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Old 07-01.-2007, 08:50 AM   #136
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Uhh he was World Champion in 1993 at age 21 or 22 and in 1996 had cancer... he was no pack-fodder pro transformed into a GC great. IMO he most certainly took performance enhancers as did all the other cyclists. But don't downplay the fact that he was still amoung the best of the best.



We was good....and very good too... BUT not a grand tour winner type UNTIL he hooked up with Dr. Dope in Italy. Loosing 10 pounds of muscle mass helped but it isn't going to make THAT much difference.
Take a good look at this clip. Armstrong gets passed by Indurain like I would pass my wife! He has his world Champion Jersey on but lacks proper doping.
You don't go from THAT Armstrong to one of the best TT riders in history with just hard work and good genetics. ALSO and VERY IMPORTANTLY, not everyone responds the same to drug therapy......some guys will get over 30% tacked onto their threshold power and others will only get 15%. So it is not an even playing field in the pro tour...not in the slightest.
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Old 07-01.-2007, 08:54 AM   #137
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First I thankyou for your candid post. And I have no problem with you having a certain opinion that Armstrong used banned enhancers, or believing the word of Lemond that he didn't. Or if you believe that all the top riders are doing something on the pro-tour. You are free to believe and say what you believe. But I would like to know how you publish that Marco Pantani won the tour de france with hematocrit above 55%. How do you have this knowledge?



In 95, after his crash, his crit was tested and published at 60%!

Take a look at the new book that is out about Marco.....he had his crit levels documented for years...this info has been recovered and has been published.
He was often above 55%, but sometimes, depending on the time of the year, he had his normal crit of about 41%.
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Old 08-01.-2007, 04:14 AM   #138
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It is what i thought TiMan. In year 2000 the full weight of black market Italian power is directed against Pantani. He had refused to admit to use of epo, and continued to claim he was a victim of a setup in his 1999 giro exclusion. An investigation into hospital records from 1995 is all they can dig up. In that hospital he was found to have broken bones and internal hemorraging. He was at risk to die. The hematocrit of a man in that condition can not be used as a proof of hi using epo, as the hospital doctors themselves gave testimony to. I invite you to read some of my other posts in this matter. And you have extrapolated this hospital result to claim he always rode at 60%. Rendalls book if that is the one you are suggesting, I have no confidence in. He did not even interview anyone close to subject of his biography.
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In 95, after his crash, his crit was tested and published at 60%!

Take a look at the new book that is out about Marco.....he had his crit levels documented for years...this info has been recovered and has been published.
He was often above 55%, but sometimes, depending on the time of the year, he had his normal crit of about 41%.
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We was good....and very good too... BUT not a grand tour winner type UNTIL he hooked up with Dr. Dope in Italy. Loosing 10 pounds of muscle mass helped but it isn't going to make THAT much difference.
Take a good look at this clip. Armstrong gets passed by Indurain like I would pass my wife! He has his world Champion Jersey on but lacks proper doping.
You don't go from THAT Armstrong to one of the best TT riders in history with just hard work and good genetics. ALSO and VERY IMPORTANTLY, not everyone responds the same to drug therapy......some guys will get over 30% tacked onto their threshold power and others will only get 15%. So it is not an even playing field in the pro tour...not in the slightest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPx5I538X6Q
When was Lance Armstrong ever the World Time Trial Champ? I thought he was road champ and only TT champs could wear the jersey during TTs?
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When was Lance Armstrong ever the World Time Trial Champ? I thought he was road champ and only TT champs could wear the jersey during TTs?


TiMan didn't say he was World TT champ.
Re-read his post.
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Old 09-01.-2007, 08:14 PM   #141
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TiMan didn't say he was World TT champ.
Re-read his post.
I never said he did say he was TT champ - I just wondered when the rule changed that allowed to road champ to wear the stripes during a TT stage?
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I never said he did say he was TT champ - I just wondered when the rule changed that allowed to road champ to wear the stripes during a TT stage?
That is weird. Yeah, what the hell?
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That is weird. Yeah, what the hell?
I've seen the vid on youtube but without sound, is it really LA he steamrollers passed?
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I've seen the vid on youtube but without sound, is it really LA he steamrollers passed?

Of course not, all the Anti-Lance folks that think he abused drugs, even though there is no proof and no way since he is personally ridding the world of cancer, fabricated it… you douche
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That is weird. Yeah, what the hell?
Alright you stupid whores, I think I've got it figured out. That video likely pre-dates the awarding of a jersey for a world champion in the time trial. Now, I know some of you sluts who became experts on cycling when Lance won his first Tour might be blown away by this, but the awarding of medals in the itt started in 1994 when Chris Boarderman slapped down Jan Ullrich like a Jamaican prostitute to take the win. Prior to that, there was no itt world championship.

Armstrong won the world rr in 93, so by default he flies the rainbow flag with pride during all road events for that year. In fact, Lance doesn't need a reason to fly the rainbow flag as made evident by this 1999 gay pride parade image. Lance is clearly visible on the right getting his groove on.
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Alright you stupid whores, I think I've got it figured out. That video likely pre-dates the awarding of a jersey for a world champion in the time trial. Now, I know some of you sluts who became experts on cycling when Lance won his first Tour might be blown away by this, but the awarding of medals in the itt started in 1994 when Chris Boarderman slapped down Jan Ullrich like a Jamaican prostitute to take the win. Prior to that, there was no itt world championship.

Armstrong won the world rr in 93, so by default he wears it during all road events for that year. If that was the 93 Tour, then it all makes sense.
Thanks for letting us know, slut.
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Nominated for most interesting thread I've found on this site yet. Thanks Timan.
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Of course not, all the Anti-Lance folks that think he abused drugs, even though there is no proof and no way since he is personally ridding the world of cancer, fabricated it… you douche
What about the six (6), did you hear me, six positve EPO tests during the 1999 Tour? He never asked to have these samples retested. You know why? He knows that he was on EPO.

Of course, I have no proof that his drugs were the ones dumped in the woods by the Mercedes. Does anybody believe Bruyneel when he says that the Actovegin was for USPS staffer with diabetes?
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Does anybody believe Bruyneel when he says that the Actovegin was for USPS staffer with diabetes?



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