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Old 26-07.-2005, 02:53 AM   #61
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Agreed the problem with Walsh is he determined the end result before he began his investigations.... i.e. he had already decided Armstrong was doping before he started his research so everything he found was a possible link in proving this.



What respected researches do is undertaken the research and then draw conclusions from the results found.


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Did Greg Lemond isn´t the smartest guy out there! He´s a bitter man and who can blame him! First his teammate stabs him in the back and then his brother-in-law shoots him in it!

He could have easily won 5 Tours but he didn´t and he is bitter! In ´90 he claims everyone was using EPO because he couldn´t keep up! He gained weight in the off season and could lose it all while a group of young riders on the rise took over. And as I mentioned his fastest ride in an ITT in the TDF set in what year was it? held up for all of the 90´s! It was a shorter ITT and slightly down hill but you would think if EPO increases performance 10-15% someone like maybe Miguel Indurain would have had a faster ride!

Emma O´reily stated LA talked about using EPO. Just like you Flyer! Are you using EPO?

Walsh is a freak who dedicated five years of his life to bring down LA. That´s twisted!

O´reily claims she disposed of seringes for LA! LA admited he injects vitamins during the tour! O´reily said she had no idea what was in the seringes!

She claims she got drugs for LA from Spain. What drugs were they? She doesn´t know! Were they for his post cancer treatment? I don´t know!

Walsh says he doesn´t prove anything! He takes some facts and frames them in a way to create suspision´! He´s out to make money off LA that´s all. Just like Anderson. buddy.
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Old 26-07.-2005, 03:03 AM   #62
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They are all doping. That is obvious.

Ironically, the only person you've ever convincingly outed as a doper is you. No one could compose such adamant nonsense without chemical enhancement.

Most of the riders in your list aren't racing these days. Suggesting that this list proves that all cyclists are doping is like saying Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison used drugs, so all musicians must be addicts.

It's a nice convenient generalization, but it also reflects the critical-evaluation skills of a 5-year old.

Tell your mother it's time for your next dose.
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Old 26-07.-2005, 03:52 AM   #65
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Really, what about Christophe Moreau?

What about 1997 World Champion Laurent Brochard?
Who was lidocaine positive btw: UCI fixed it.

What about Didier Rous?

These three riders all completed the 2005 TDF and were all arrested as part of the 1998 Team Festina doping scandal.

Ask mommy to read this sentence in my post again. Ask her to specifically emphasize the first word.

"Most of the riders in your list aren't racing these days."

"Seven years ago, some riders were caught doping" does not prove that "today, all riders dope." (Well, maybe that's sufficient for you to draw such an obtuse conclusion, but that's what you get for doing your calculations in crayon.)
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Old 26-07.-2005, 03:57 AM   #66
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Respected researchers are working on new drugs.

Award winning journalist write books.

Everyone is doing what they are supposed to.

Don't forget: "TdF podium winners race well and pass every drug test."

Just like they're supposed to. Funny how you only do not offer the same deference to duty when cyclists are involved, instead preferring to wallow in the muck of innuendo and character-asassination. I'd love to take Armstrong's cue and feel sorry for you, but the contempt gets in the way.
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Old 26-07.-2005, 05:01 AM   #69
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I have a feeling no matter what he, or anyone else might have said in his situation wouldn't have been good enough for you. There are plenty of cynics out there that just enjoy picking apart everything. Let it be man. He said what he said, he did what he did, . Sorry it wasn't to your liking. I'm sure the real professionals don't really give a sh-- what or how it came across. Only the feeble minded think it's any of there business. He won 7...Give him his props, how many have you won?
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It came right about when he was talking about the fact that he would be gone next year, so you losers could win next year ''maybe you could win Ivan, maybe you could win Jan'' is what I interpreted but you've edited a lot out.
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Old 26-07.-2005, 05:09 AM   #70
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Nice list, don't forget to add Frigo, Garzelli, Commesso, Casagrande. Also the Cofidis team from 98 needs better representation, B.Julich et al. while your at it throw in DeCanio just to even out the pr nation count a bit.

however, could you please provide a link to your 'proof' of merckx doping?

oh, almost forgot, Djamolidine Abdoujaparov

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Get a clue. Museeuw, Millar, Hamilton, Pantani, Rumsus, Zulle, Virenque, Brochard, Moreau, Rous, Camenzind, Perez, Hondo, Breukink, Ducrot, Dufoux, Herve, Meier, Galletti, Zanette, Coppi, Merckx, Anquetil, Simpson, Manzano, Gaumont, Sassone, Rutkiewicz, Brandt, Bruylandts, et al....

all dopers.
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Old 26-07.-2005, 05:14 AM   #71
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I thought this thread was about Armstrong's podium speech ? Stick to thread boys and no digressing !

Flyer my mother also died of cancer but I don't wave it in people's faces... I have way to much respect for her to do that. Follow suit and pull yourself in line.


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My mom died of cancer. What is your excuse?

ALL, not most, of the doper names mentioned, used PEDs whilst racing. Many of the names just recently were forced out (Hamilton, Camenzind, Perez, Museeuw, Hondo).

Three are active now, the Festina alum.

Because I mentioned Eddie Merckx you dismiss my list as too old.

Typical doper apologist.

You have never been correct about anything regarding pro cycling.
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Old 26-07.-2005, 05:19 AM   #72
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My mom died of cancer. What is your excuse?

ALL, not most, of the doper names mentioned, used PEDs whilst racing. Many of the names just recently were forced out (Hamilton, Camenzind, Perez, Museeuw, Hondo).

Three are active now, the Festina alum.

Because I mentioned Eddie Merckx you dismiss my list as too old.

Your list is old because you list only three riders currently racing, who were last involved in drug scandals seven years ago, to attempt to prove that everyone in the sport is currently doping. Guilt by distant association. Quite a standard of proof you have there.

I think the authorities are on their way to your house. I've informed them that you speak English, just like Ted Bundy did years ago. You must be a vicious serial killer!

(My condolences regarding your mother -- I'll refrain from such inartful witticisms when sparring with you in the future.)
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Old 26-07.-2005, 06:24 AM   #73
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apologies if this has already been posted...didn't see it perusing the thread:

video of the podium speech (from OLN website):
mms://dayport.wmod.llnwd.net/fc/a258/e1/v1/0040/07300020050724_042552p0042748p6.wmv
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Old 26-07.-2005, 08:36 AM   #75
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apologies if this has already been posted...didn't see it perusing the thread:

video of the podium speech (from OLN website):
mms://dayport.wmod.llnwd.net/fc/a258/e1/v1/0040/07300020050724_042552p0042748p6.wmv

Apology or not, you shouldn't be posting things way off topic like a link to LA's podium speech in a thread dedicaded to doping .
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