Etiquette on forums.

FredC

London= Inferences from you.
Ant piss, that's a new one. You must be pre-pubescent.
Are you sure your pretty parts are large enough to wave about? Anyway waving your miniscule bits about in the cemetery should be a laugh. Do it on a Sunday afternoon if possible.

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Wurm

"Waving about" one's "miniscule bits". HAHA! You Brits...I get a riot out of the way you guys talk!

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Hypnospin

ah, ignoring the root cause and concentrating on the side effects, this statement is.

britain's collusion with the us criminal war acts is neatly overlooked in this case.

this is the very definition of being reactive as opposed to proactive in regards to international policy.

davidmc

It is quite entertaining They prove thier prowess in dry wit. Unsurpassed.

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Wurm

"...very dry, please. And shaken, not stirred..."

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Chance3290

In the liar Fredc's case the wit is only half the problem. Being as he is a half-wit. Oh, yes, and a liar as well.

By the way, piss-ant, your trying to use western ideology to explain the actions of mid-easterners shows that you don't get out much.
And if you think that living in Great Britain means they grow up and live by your standards, then you are not only a liar but also naive. Have a nice day.

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Carrera

The point here is essentially this, I guess:
Britain should not have sided with Bush in the Iraq War. However, we were correct to back the U.S. in Afghanistan - there were terrorist training camps there churning out extremist guerillas.
But I repeat that, in my view, we should never have sided with Bush over Iraq. This is simply my view but probably a majority one.
However, here is where I tend to have issues with Blair:
It seems to me that while Blair has been busy in Iraq, making speeches of support in the U.S. and abroad, he's been providing fertile ground for radical organisations to prosper in this country. He allows large percentages of suspected criminals to come to the U.K. via Calais in France and classes them as asylum seekers (apparently fleeing persecution). But we now know many of these people are fleeing the authorities in Pakistan or elsewhere due to their radical agenda.
Not many people (if any will agree with me) but the President of Pakistan would certainly back me up and said exactly what I've been thinking for ages.
I also think China doesn't have anything like the problem we have over here as it has strong borders and strict control. Rather than spend billions of pounds in wars overseas or trying to counteract terrorism, the Chinese are investing in industry and their economy - and this is booming at present.

Carrera

Well, I confess I feel sorry for the law abiding Moslems who live over here. Of course, there are many of these. Amir Khan, for one, was horrified over the London bombings.
Maybe somehow the genuine Moslems will take action themselves and kick the extremist nutters out themselves.

Hypnospin

before your afghani horse gets TOO high, it must be noted the oil pipeline in this region (already preplanned by halibuton & co.at the time of invasion)
has always been the primary motivator for invading this region.

control of oil from the caspian sea, you know.

other commercial media publicized causes have their value to incite the us citizenry to join in the invasion efforts. this goes over with those who would believe
"we need to fight the terrorists there and not here at home".

has the ussr invading this area been forgotten? at that time, the inhabitants were celebrated by the us press as "freedom fighters", spun as rustic yet fearless against-all-odds fighters holding off godless evil empire commie invasion. admirable, they were.

these were the fathers of the current fighters, and were in large part created, armed, funded and condoned by the us only to be betrayed, abandoned and finally invaded courtesy of bush syndicate military and the us taxpayer.

the definition of terrorist training camp gets a bit blurry at some point,
as this is ultimately your friendly local us military basic training camp
here at home.



of course, the poppy seed economy resurgence figures heavily, even as the us taxpayer fund various "war on drugs" efforts...

Wurm

Absolutely the case.

If one were to look at a map of the pipeline from the north of A'stan (coming from the Caspian region) to the border of P'stan, and then overlay a map of the major US military bases, you will see that the bases closely track the route of the pipeline.

So much for wiping out "turrrurist training camps".

The fact is that the Dick n' Bush boys went to the Taliban and gave them an ultimatum: they were to make a choice of having "a carpet of gold" or "a carpet of bombs" - as to allowing Unocal to start building their proposed pipeline through A'stan. When the Taliban refused to acquiesce, the Neo-Con thugs decided to invade the country. The 9/11 scheme was the manufactured raison d'etre.

Don't forget that Afghan Pres. Kharzi is a former Unocal hump. Mere coincidence? I think not.

Once that was accomplished, THEN they went after Iraq.

Carrera, you need to get your information from better, more accurate sources instead of buying the State propaganda.

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Chance3290

A good point. But, where are the Muslim clerics? Some will quietly say how Islam is a religion of tolerence and peace and the Koran is being misused by extremist.
Why aren't the Mullahs standing in front of their Mosques, screaming into the television cameras about the atrocities being committed in the name of Allah?
When Priests were accused of child molestation acts in the Boston area, the Boston Archdiocese, and the Vatican, were quick with 'hide the Priest' game, but very slow to speak out against the acts. Public animosity, because of the lack of action on the part of the Catholic Church, is still being felt.

Where are the Muslim clerics? Against the war in Iraq? Great! Protest it. But you would think that they would more than a littIe upset by Muslims blowing up themselves, and innocents, in the name of Allah.

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Carrera

The thing is, though, with Afghanistan, it came as a very fast miltary reponse to the carnage in New York. I mean, Europe and the rest of the world understood. Even LA, soon as he saw the destruction in New York, came out and said they should basically go out and kick ass.
Now, in Afghanistan there were these extremist training camps that were teaching how to carry out suicide bombings and murder. Russia had been warning the U.S. about it for ages, as well as warning about the spread of radical Islam in Europe.
Here, I'm expressing my own view and I confess I'm sure I do get my share of things wrong. Nothing is black and white. Nobody has all the answers. Maybe there are many intances when Darkboong and Fred get things right and I may get it wrong.
Still, I never changed my view over Iraq or the abuse of human rights in Guantanamo and elsewhere.

Hypnospin

glad to hear you support knee-jerk retaliation in the name of revenge upon largely innocent people over
the war crimes that result.

this is truly having one's perspectives and priorities in line.

davidmc

Whoa I wouldn't go THAT far

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I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )