Armstrong documentary

Originally Posted by Flyer

MTtje:

I confess that I have not viewed the video you refer to. What was said?

However, I am always inclined to believe the words of industry insiders over uninformed fans--and the commercial persona's promoted to sell products.

Especially, when the industry insiders are Greg Lemond and backed up by so many others with absolutely nothing to gain except grief---including former junior teammates and admitted victims of forced injections (3-time National Champion Greg Strock and Erich Kaiter, sick--as well as Gerrik Latta and David Francis, not sick)

And especially when your blood doping expert is convicted of malpractice. (Ferrari in Oct. 2004)

These are not rumors or jealous lies. They are brutal facts and point directly to doping and deception.

And again----per Don Catlin---no tests are performed for unknown substances (research or designer drugs) NONE. and the EPO and T/E tests can be defeated too, despite the current test.

Never tested positive is meaningless!

Cheers, MJtje Happy 4th!

Originally Posted by Flyer

What do ghosts have to do with injecting synthetic hormones into 16 and 17 years olds (Lance's teammates in 1990)----or into Tour de France competitors? Or AIS alumni?

We are not at the Disneyland's Haunted Mansion.

Get it through your skull--this is how elite sports are operated---and because you are unaware and unconcerned about it despite impressive public interviews by Greg Lemond, Don Catlin, Marco Pantani's life, Jesus Manzano, Philippe Gaumont--- whistleblowing makes doping disclosure ever more important and relevant.

As long as athletes continue to use illegal and undetectable drugs, doping will be a permanent discussion point.

Let's face it, doping and doping methods makes the greatest performance difference when natural athletes are only 1% different in talent. Michele Ferrari bases his entire practice on this notion.

btw: Nothing is more boring or tiresome than pretending that our heroic athletes are clean. Or that we should trust the commercial persona put forth by OLN and/or the sponsors. Shills for sales.

That's is just more theater of the absurd!

Asked and answered yet again!

Originally Posted by Flyer

1) I believe whistleblower insiders, not industry shills who are on the payroll. That is the difference.

Whistleblowers are NEVER jealous liars. They lose money by speaking out.

2) There are NO DRUG tests for:

hGH, or EuiGen (hormones used by Ausssies at AIS)

EPO is still undetectable (very subjective and expensive analysis, underfunded)

Interlukins, insulin, stimulants taken post sample, testosterone/epitestosterone

reseach drugs (not clinically approved)

designer drugs (cannot be tested until known)

Viagra, vasodilators

And blood is not removed 60 minute prior to a TT effort as that is considered harrassment (yet would catch the illegal stimulants)

Samples can be saved until the cows come home---and since no tests exist, it is just public relation stunt.


A better question is: Why argue with me, why not respect what Don Catlin says? He is the WADA-certified UCLA Lab Directior with a $2,000,000 annual budget for ALL sports.

That includes steroids in NCAA, NFL, Track and cycling.

The testing is a farse.

Quit chasing your tail and get a grasp. Athletes fear housekeepers and policemen, NOT dope control.

The drugs help performance--and are not detectable--so why are you surprised?

Sport is a business, not a Corinthean hobby.

Originally Posted by snyper0311

Hey House,
I read ALL the posts on this forum that relate to cycling/racing, training, or bike questions and have NEVER seen Flyer post anything that pertains to cycling. All his posts are about doping. I don't think he even knows how to ride!

Originally Posted by Flyer

Yet another 'jealous lie' making you a 'jealous liar' just like a pro cyclist. Are you Tyler's brother?

Or do you work for Festina Alum?

After nine stages of the Tour, former 'admitted under oath dopers' Christophe Moreau #2 GC, Laurent Brochard #49 GC and Didier Rous #65 are enoying another doped out TDF. Is that not ironic?

Brochard has the aditional honor of being the 1997 World Road Champion who 'tested positive for lidocaine' BUT was covered up by UCI director Hein Verbrugan. The 1998 Champion Oscar Camenzind was EPO DQed last summer on a surprise visit to his home by agressive Swiss controllers.

Gotta love your doped federations too.

You losers have a nice day.

btw: for a guy who cannot ride a bike---I certainly can win a few races on two wheels (Mtb, track, road, crits, and motorcycling too)

You look for that horse hormone (EquiGen) I think it is in Del Monte, Australia, very near the AIS velodrome.

David French (Mark's dad) knows a little about AIS policy on performances.