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20-01.-2006, 04:34 PM

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I had the impression that economic factors did not matter when it came to child molestation. Last night I went to my counties sexual predator site and went through the names and addresses. There were about 289 of them. I am real familiar with streets and addresses around here. Almost everyone of them came from a lower class neighborhood. There were only 2 that came from a upper middle class neighbor hood. Now I don't know what to think.

If the site shows the addresses of convicted offenders or offenders who have been imprisoned,then I would expect them to be living in a lower socio-economic area.After all, they are ex-cons or have a conviction which would preclude them from many financially rewarding positions.That only proves that ex-cons and convicted child molesters live in poorer areas.
If you wanted to prove anything,you would need to factor in what their socio-economic position was before conviction,how that position affected the quality of their legal defence and how it affected the likelihood of detection in the first place.As far as I know,there is no way to quantify those factors reliably.
There are all sorts of statistics on the type of person convicted but the general conclusion is that the average child molester is no different to the average adult male in almost every indicator.Would 93% identification as "religious" fit the profile of an average american male?

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20-01.-2006, 04:51 PM	#62
wolfix Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Still in 1975" Posts: 2,722	Re: child molesters I don't know what to think...... A lot of the ones I looked at I could tell they were from lower incomes before their crimes because I am familiar with some of the names ..... But , even though I would agree that economics do not have anything to do with it ...... Go to a local sexual registry and look ....... You may be as surprised as I was . Maybe it was because the wealthier molestors had better attorneys ..... something is going on ....... __________________ "I rule my world with a cellphone."

20-01.-2006, 04:56 PM

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I don't know what to think...... A lot of the ones I looked at I could tell they were from lower incomes before their crimes because I am familiar with some of the names ..... But , even though I would agree that economics do not have anything to do with it ...... Go to a local sexual registry and look ....... You may be as surprised as I was . Maybe it was because the wealthier molestors had better attorneys ..... something is going on .......

How can you tell what someone's income is from their name alone?
Or did you know them personally?

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20-01.-2006, 06:40 PM	#64
wolfix Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Still in 1975" Posts: 2,722	Re: child molesters I do know many of the family names ... But ......The point I am trying to make is this.... Common sense tells me that a child molestor is the result of something dysfunctional in his youth........And economics have nothing to do with dysfunction....... Other then maybe the wealthy can afford better "treatment" then the economically challenged at an earlier age.......... But , after I looked at this website, and I admit I am assuming some things here, but I think I am right for the most part, that an overwhelming amount of them seem to come from a lower class background....... I do have a good feeling for the community I am describing .... I went to school in both ends of town, I ran a high profile business for 20 years , and I was a bartender for quite a few more years in a very popular pub...... and I am related to way tooooooo many people around here..... I find that looking at that website a little bit disturbing ........... so the question I ask myself is this ...... "Is it possible that the wealthy seem to be able to avoid convictions because of 1....... Better lawyers w/ an unjust justice system ?? 2....... Do the wealthier families cover things up better ??? Go to an area you know well . Look up the sexual registry and see what I mean.... Somehow too I bet there is a way to keep your name off the list if you have the money to do so........ Because I looked up 2 wealthy guys that may have had sexual charges leveled against them. Their names did not come up. Inconsistent maybe. Another thing that amazed me was the number of young guys and females of all ages on the list. Speaking of child molestors.......And I just thought of this ..... One of the most nortorious child molestors and murders in the USA came from my town. He lived near me. His name was John Wayne Gacy. http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial/gacy/gacymain.htm He didn't kill anyone as far as they know in my town , but I think he was convicted of something here. And yet he was real well liked....... Even after his crimes were reported there were people in my town singing his praises..... So maybe what we are discussing is that the wealthy are not stigmatized like the poor are for their crimes....... __________________ "I rule my world with a cellphone."

20-01.-2006, 11:01 PM

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I do know many of the family names ... But ......The point I am trying to make is this.... Common sense tells me that a child molestor is the result of something dysfunctional in his youth........And economics have nothing to do with dysfunction....... Other then maybe the wealthy can afford better "treatment" then the economically challenged at an earlier age..........
But , after I looked at this website, and I admit I am assuming some things here, but I think I am right for the most part, that an overwhelming amount of them seem to come from a lower class background....... I do have a good feeling for the community I am describing .... I went to school in both ends of town, I ran a high profile business for 20 years , and I was a bartender for quite a few more years in a very popular pub...... and I am related to way tooooooo many people around here.....

I find that looking at that website a little bit disturbing ........... so the question I ask myself is this ......
"Is it possible that the wealthy seem to be able to avoid convictions because of
1....... Better lawyers w/ an unjust justice system ??
2....... Do the wealthier families cover things up better ???

Go to an area you know well . Look up the sexual registry and see what I mean.... Somehow too I bet there is a way to keep your name off the list if you have the money to do so........ Because I looked up 2 wealthy guys that may have had sexual charges leveled against them. Their names did not come up. Inconsistent maybe.
Another thing that amazed me was the number of young guys and females of all ages on the list.

Speaking of child molestors.......And I just thought of this ..... One of the most nortorious child molestors and murders in the USA came from my town. He lived near me. His name was John Wayne Gacy.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial/gacy/gacymain.htm
He didn't kill anyone as far as they know in my town , but I think he was convicted of something here. And yet he was real well liked....... Even after his crimes were reported there were people in my town singing his praises.....
So maybe what we are discussing is that the wealthy are not stigmatized like the poor are for their crimes.......

I'm not surprised that john wayne gacy was well-liked.I think he would have to qualify as a psychopath and psychopaths have very good social skills indeed.Thats what enables them to pick their victims.Most pychopaths never kill,in fact only a very tiny minority do so.If child molesters aren't for the most part psychopaths then they are very closely related.They certainly share many of the same traits-the highly to manipulate and to deceive,the same lack of empathy or remorse and the ability to pick vulnerability in their victims.
Think about it...aren't these the same skills that a salesperson uses?Wouldn't these skills be useful to someone determined to rise in a corporation?For many lawyers,skills like these would be absolutely essential.
Of course,this does not mean that any of the above are more likely to be child molesters or psychopaths,but I think it may partly explain why some are never detected.
Only the stupid criminals get caught (and their stupidity astounds me 25 years later).The clever ones never even fall under suspicion.

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20-01.-2006, 11:15 PM

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FYI,most studies will agree that there is no such thing as a profile of the average molester.The site at Childmolestationproject.org does,however,point out that 93% of molesters claim to be religious and the large number of priests and ministers convicted would appear to support this.
They also point out that the closest thing to a "molester profile" is that of the average american male.

Please read what you wrote again. 'no such thing as a profile' BUT '93% claim to be religious'

Writing stuff like this is not helping your argument.

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20-01.-2006, 11:27 PM

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Please read what you wrote again. 'no such thing as a profile' BUT '93% claim to be religious'

Writing stuff like this is not helping your argument.

Check the site.They claim it.I merely quoted them.
Actually,I think most of them had two arms and two legs.That doesn't mean that everyone with two arms and legs is a child molester either.Not only do you not understand statistics,you don't understand logic either.

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20-01.-2006, 11:33 PM

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Please read what you wrote again. 'no such thing as a profile' BUT '93% claim to be religious'

Writing stuff like this is not helping your argument.

You failed to put in the whole quotation and you failed to put it in context.
You really should pay attention to your reading.I didn't write it ,I quoted the Childmolestationproject.com site.

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20-01.-2006, 11:34 PM

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I see, Its not you saying this, you've just saying things someone told you.

BTW, Its getting more and more fun to prod you. You're very easy, let's keep this going.

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20-01.-2006, 11:44 PM

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I see, Its not you saying this, you've just saying things someone told you.

BTW, Its getting more and more fun to prod you. You're very easy, let's keep this going.

You don't see.That's because you aren't very bright,are you?

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20-01.-2006, 11:47 PM

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You don't see.That's because you aren't very bright,are you?

See what I mean?

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21-01.-2006, 12:17 AM

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See what I mean?

It amuses me to see you squirm,evade the issue,change the subject and generally show your ignorance to everyone on the forum.
Please keep posting.You're very funny(but not the way you think).
I know it's cruel to mock the "intellectually challenged" but it's fun.

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21-01.-2006, 12:20 AM

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Too late.

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21-01.-2006, 01:17 AM

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Too late.

Was that your best effort?
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21-01.-2006, 04:34 AM

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They certainly share many of the same traits-the highly to manipulate and to deceive,the same lack of empathy or remorse and the ability to pick vulnerability in their victims.
Think about it...aren't these the same skills that a salesperson uses?

Or blondes that are perky, big breasted and got a great smile....

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