child molesters

Hypnospin

so you can cure someone sick with cash into sociability?
give us all a break...with your derogatory economic generalizations.

wolfix

A while back I read where the stats show that the average molester is of lower class economically. But this is probably due to not having a effective lawyer. I imagine that families that have high profiles in society can cover it up better and do so that the "family name" is not tainted. I know that 4/4 molesters in my area are not conservatives. I doubt that the majority of the molesters are conservatives or religious. I doubt that molestation has a political view.
Earlier in a post someone suggested that molesters do it because of the endless cycle of abuse that they have recieved. I agree that it is a cycle. So my suggestion is that we eliminate the problem and break the cycle. Elimination in the form of jail of course and then monitoring..... The people that push the "We can cure them " get outraged when people suggest a similar program for homosexuality...... If they think they can cure a pediphile of his desires, why wouldn't it work for homosexuality??? I am not saying that homosexuality is similar to child molestation, but it is not a desired form of sexuality for a individual.. No one wakes up and says "I want to be a homosexual."

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stevebaby

I don't know what their political views were (except for frank arkell,nominally a labor mayor but actually a millionaire property developer).I was actually talking about their social attitudes.
Molesters are similar,if not identical,to psychopaths.They are obviously extremely manipulative,often very charming and they learn how to fit in.They are attracted to positions of power and they often do well in business.Ruthlessness,charm and the ability to manipulate others are skills that serve them well in the offences that they commit and in their daily lives.
These are also skills that help them to evade detection.
I remember reading an interview with a green beret officer a few years ago.He was asked what qualities were necessary for a special forces soldier and he said that abused children made the best recruits.They have been taught from early childhood as part of the abuse process to repress emotion,to obey unquestionally ,to show no feeling and to fear those in authority.
I agree that they are never cured of their desires,but their behaviour can certainly be controlled.An embezzler may not ever be cured of the desire to steal money but there are many ways to convince them not to actually do it.

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Hypnospin

wolf, i can agree your point about the financial privelege of affording lawyers of adequate capability affecting stats in this regard.

as for your comparisons of child molesting, which is accepted as a sick and violent crime perpetrated against unwilling victims and homosexuality, which is a lifestyle inclination between consenting adults, is so far off base as to elicit concern there may be some latent phobia goin' with those who would offer such comparison...to put it in polite terms.

as for political and or religious views resulting in the psychiatric condition of being a child abuser, this belief is probably embraced most often by those with the most bogus sense of self righteousness.

after all, is not the bulk of harm being brought to the innocent in the world justified by those commiting these acts as being right because of the manipulation of these selfsame belief systems you are infering create such upright and moral citizens?

certainly, this is a commonality the bush regime followers and anyone acceptant of violent jihad share...

Hypnospin

so the best baby killers are those who were abused kids,
military recruiters take note...

perhaps this should be included on questionaires for military service qualification to the bush regime.
in this way we can perpetuate this sickness in society worldwide.
the best use of your tax dollars?




[QUOTE=I was actually talking about their social attitudes.
I remember reading an interview with a green beret officer a few years ago.He was asked what qualities were necessary for a special forces soldier and he said that abused children made the best recruits.They have been taught from early childhood as part of the abuse process to repress emotion,to obey unquestionally ,to show no feeling and to fear those in authority.
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wolfix

No homophobia here. Nor gay bashing. But to say that homosexuality is a desired form of sexuality is really stupid. What I am saying is that if a child molesters sexuality can be changed through programs why can't other peoples sexual desires be changed? Homosexuality is not a lifestyle. A lifestyle is something an individual chooses. A homo can choose a homo lifestyle, but he cannot choose his sexuality.
You are proof of what I just said ...... you think child molesters can be changed, but you are outraged when someone agrees with you and says homo's can be changed too. No where have I suggested that homo's are deviant.
It is not the people who suffer from self righteousness who are out there subjecting child molesters to the laws. They are the ones who are enforcing the laws the liberals pushed. The people who are out there telling us we have a problem tend to be liberal democrats in the social services field. They are the ones who promote laws and the supposedly "self righteousness" are the ones who enforce the laws when the liberals are screaming "save the women and babies." Come into a place where liberals hang out and see if "self righteousness " is rampant. I find both that the left and the right are so narrow minded they wouldn't know a fact if it hit them in the ass.
If you claim to be a liberal, be a liberal. 0Don't be a politically correct sheep. Do not be one of these coffee shop jerks that sit around and try to justify their own personal lifestyle by insulting others.
Personally I do not care what homo's do. My opinion has always been that homosexuls must be born that way. Because no man would want to do what they do to another man out of choice when a women feels so good. So I am not one of those who think "homosexuality is a choice."
As far as homo bashing goes, I ran a bar where homo's where known to hang out. One of the few bars in a 100 mile radius. They felt comfortable there because they knew I would not allow any gay bashing to go on. I have no latent phobia. I know exactly who I am.

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Hypnospin

wolfman,
you are quite right that homosexuality is a born trait and not a lifestyle in a strict sense.
this is indeed independent of a choice issue.

as for child molesters being changed, any mental condition can be treated and if not recovered from at least managed. there are of course exceptions as with any disorder.

i do hang out in a coffee shop a bit, more on that later perhaps...

i do not mean to insult, just point out the tendency of what i see as judgementalism in general.


[QUOTE=wolfix]You are proof of what I just said ...... you think child molesters can be changed, but you are outraged when someone agrees with you and says homo's can be changed too. No where have I suggested that homo's are deviant.
. Do not be one of these coffee shop jerks that sit around and try to justify their own personal lifestyle by insulting others.
Personally I do not care what homo's do. My opinion has always been that homosexuls must be born that way. Because no man would want to do what they do to another man out of choice when a women feels so good. So I am not one of those who think "homosexuality is a choice."

Chance3290

I have no idea what your trying to say here. And I'm going to guess that you didn't get what I was saying. So let's try again.
I said that child molesters don't do well in adult situations. Therefore, their job selection is not that great, considering that they also want to be in touch with children/potential victims. There aren't that many high paying jobs that meet these prerequisites.
I also said that Stevebaby was right that there are exceptions to the rule and some people with a lot of money are also child moesters.
And I never said anything about curing people with cash. My cure for a child molester involves garden shears.

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Hypnospin

you did equate economic level with this behaviour, and this is the derogatory generalization i called you on.
ever had someone generalize towards the cyclist? maybe one was a bozo on wheels therefore...you can fill in the blanks i'm sure.
all i'm saying is let's break free from stereotyping and letting the mindset underlying these generalizations lead us to bogus conclusions.

Chance3290

I'm not saying that poor people are more likely to be child molesters, I'm saying that child molesters are more likely to be poor-to lower middle class. They may not be born poor, but because of their perversion, they are less likely to make a good living. As I said, child molesters don't do well in adult circumstances, so they don't do good in extra curicular activities, social skills, etc. You probably won't find a lot of CEOs that don't do well in social environments. Are there child molesting CEOs? I'll bet there are, but there are a lot more day-laborers and convenient store clerks that are molesters.
I remember a case a few years ago of a 20-something that came from a good, upper-class family. When he was arrested for molested several very young girls in the neighborhood, he had been living out of a van (talk about stereotyping). He had withdrawn from his family and for themost part, lived on the street. His family later said they felt something was wrong with him, but he refused treatment.
And the economics factors are even more true with the repeat offenders. Would you hire a convicted child molester?
Take a look at some of the websites that deal with the predators. Its rare to see one that looks like they make a good living.

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stevebaby

Obviously,there are a lot more day-labourers and convenience store clerks than CEO's.
You don't understand statistics either.

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stevebaby

It's the coffee that's turned you into a liberal.
Just go into any coffee shop in,say,amsterdam.
The coffee there has turned them all so liberal that they have actually become
tolerant!

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Chance3290

Can you explain what I don't understand about statistics?

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stevebaby

As there are obviously more "day labourers and convenience store clerks" than ceos,then obviously they will be over-represented in terms of numbers in any statistical sample.The same "logic" could be used to "prove" that "day labourers and convenience store clerks" own more cars,houses,electronic goods etc than ceos and must therefore be richer.
FYI,most studies will agree that there is no such thing as a profile of the average molester.The site at Childmolestationproject.org does,however,point out that 93% of molesters claim to be religious and the large number of priests and ministers convicted would appear to support this.
They also point out that the closest thing to a "molester profile" is that of the average american male.

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