The clients of Michele Ferrari

limerickman

.......that's why you went off on a tirade about the 98 TDF result.

Look the fact of the matter is that you attempted to discredit Pantani's ability
to win a TDF.
You contended that pantani was not capable of winning the TDF.
You contended that he only won the TDF in 98 because 40% of the field left or were removed.
I believe that your conclusion is incorrect.
You also were incorrect about the Zulle/Pantani outcome in the 98 Giro.



As for this : I think you're losing the run of yourself, Flyer.
The man is dead.
His reputation was besmirched by the media long before he died.
Your examination of that reputation now - is futile.

I would look to those who are living : and try to persuade them to come clean.
Like Mr Hamilton : Like Mr Millar.
They've been banged to rights.
If they finally confronted their guilt and purged their souls, this would represent a step forward.

ilpirata

For all his ravings he has more continuity than you Flyer. Asterisk in 98, but also according to you an asterisk on them all. Powerfull Zulle, doping Zulle ,it is all the same to you. What do you care who won or who wins? You are only interested in making your stairway to your platform. The platform that has all cyclists as dopers. And then when an ex-cyclist dies alone overdosed on drugs, it must certainly be because he doped when active. I tell you this Flyer, it is very easy path to that platform, and that platform was not invented by you (for with the logic you present who could believe it?) It doesn't need as it's main step the doping of Marco Pantani. Of this there is no evidence, of this I provide more than enough reason for suspicion on the motives for his suspensions and 4 year chastisement by Italian authorities which depict him as an outlaw, but are in reality a hidden masonic system protecting itself and it's interests.
Do I expect you to cry? I could care less. You work out your own emotions. For me, no matter what you say, Pantani is the most exciting cyclist I have yet to see. And yes I am saddened by his death. I am saddened that his still faces calumny of every sort from the likes of you. I will waste no more time with you. I leave you with the win of Marco Pantani on the Alpe de Huez where he drafts on no one, where he has no team at his disposal (he is not team captain), where he makes a wrong turn near the finish costing 10 s minimum, where he sets a record time up the mountain anyway (the mountain is at the end of the stage after 140 or more kilometers which include climbs). Last year as a 15 kilometer time trial, his time was not surpassed. Your logic does not explain that. Because even if they all dope, class is still class. If Pantani ever used any form of PED's it was certainly less than every other professional cyclist. He did not hide himself, with inactive periods, to build for an event (this is what blood dopers have been known to do, and then come off the PED's in time for ND at competition). Marco Pantani at one time or another left Indurain, Ullrich, Zulle, Tonkov, and Armstrong in his wake. As I said before, he had no need of EPO, in a race fought with equal arms he had no rivals.

MJtje

I thought that the 1998 tour was the 'clean' tour All the dopers went home and finally we see clean guys like boogerd finishing 5th. Btw rabo has a very clean image.......do you have stories about that flyer. I know about breukink......funny you never turn it around like breukink can tell the guys what NOT to take! And I know dekker was caught for a to high hematocrit 1999, but has a natural high one of himself..........any more stories. Me thinks one of the cleaner teams.....ofcourse I'm dreaming now that can't be!

limerickman

Flyer, you're not reading what I wrote.
Or you're failing to understand my point.

I never contended anything about 1998.
What I said was that MP was on course to win a TDF at some point.
Whether 1998 happened or not, at some point MP was going to win the TDF.

You only have to look at 1993 and 1995 TDF to recognise that MP, against very very tough opposition, was more than capable of winning.