The tragedy of this forum

panamagrl

excuse me, but if we're going to talk about doping let's talk about the widespread doping of the american public (via a steady diet of fox news, fast food, pain killers, and anti-depressants).
i think what is happening in the sport of cycling reflects to a large extent what is valued in society at large.
would i dope if i were a professional cyclist? well, if it meant keeping up with the jones', and everyone else was doing it, i probably would.
cycling is a culture like any other and those in it try to fit in and do what they need to do to survive.
what if ibubrofen were considered dope--how many if us would be considered addicts?

Orange Fish

Wow, all great comments from you guys. It's just hard to believe that so much doping is going on, but I can definitely see how it can stem from the way Americans lead their lives in general - everything quick and easy. I guess we shouldn't expect pros (just because they are professionals) to be any different. It's always nice to have some top athletes to look up to, but when they're just as bad as everyone else, seems to take that credibility away.

Interesting point about how teams are built around dopers. Never thought about it like that before.

Felt_Rider

Just because some of the large pharmaceutical companies reside in America does not mean that America has more advantage than any other country.

Folks, I have admitted to being deeply involved in using as a former competitor and I have admitted to distributing. I know this subject very well in many aspects, but I can honestly state with confidence that there is no advantage of buying on the street in America than any where else in the world.

Most of what I purchased back in the day came from Mexico and South Africa and was smuggled into the states. Yes a small amount was "stolen" or coaxed from unsuspecting veterinarians or made in a home lab from veterinarian supplies, but it wasn't like the large pharmacutical companies are kicking boxes off the truck at the nearest sports facility so that we can go out and break records.

For many years I looked for doctors to try to help me get legitimate supplies and I never once had one of them entertain the thought. Yes, there are some that will, but the majority will not risk their medical practice and face potential legal risk so that some stupid athlete like myself can win a trophy. Again there are doctors that will do this, but they are not as abundant in American as one might think. Check deeper into the subject and know that the East German scientist before the fall of the wall were deep deep into study and when the wall fell they dispersed to other countries in Europe and Asia to continue their experiments for self gain in wealth. We have Balco Labs scandal, but they were sought out by our government and will be prosecuted.

I could not let that statement slip by without making my own rebuttle.