The tragedy of this forum

Originally Posted by Flyer

Life is life. Reality, fantasy, highs and lows. No tragedy in writing about 'how the sausages are made'. Not at all. Such disclosures are helpful even to those still in denial, so at least to confirm their shinking fraternity.


It's life.

It's the human condition.

Cycling racers have been doping for over 140 years! The drugs are just more effective today. In another 100 years---the TDF will carry a speed average of 60 kph+. The only thing that 'happened' was journalists finally began writing about this problem on a weekly basis. It's not hard to do as there is daily activity.

If you think doping in procycling is a fraud---or a disgrace--or sad---just think of Wall Street, The New York Stock Exchange, Juiced accounting for Worldcom, Tyco, Enron, Healthsouth, etc.....

Accounting on Steroids!!!!!

Nobody died(?)--but billions of Dollars were funneled to insiders who will NEVER refund the money.

Just as Johan Museeuw, Richard Virenque, Alex Zulle, Tyler Hamilton or David Millar will NEVER refund any of their juiced driven prize money. Not ever.

The mantra reads: 'Steal all you can--until somebody puts you in a can', as it were.

As long as sport is commercially exploited for corporate advertising---the athletes, the coaches, the managers, the drug researchers, the doctors, will cheat in every way conceivable. Crime pays!

Pro Cycling is not a Corinthean sport---rather it is a greedy, aggressive business! Lying & denial keep it fully funded as an industry.

And what about the doping our cattle, our dairy cows, our chickens, lambs, race horses and dogs? Is that not a subject worth debating too? I mean, non-vegans do eat that suff and those synthetic hormones pass down the food chain too. Is that healthy? Is that fact well disclosed to consumers?

Originally Posted by fiscem4

I think that it is a sad state of affairs when a new forum has to be created to discuss doping.

Originally Posted by Flyer

Much like the Holocaust, ignorance is blissful and deadly too.

On the contrry not discussing the issue is akin to a tacit approval for doping in all sport. Especially cycling.

Doping is not a 'little or isolated toxic problem'. It is widespread and affects all levels of elite cycling. The top athletes, men and women, as well as the domestiques and workers.

Hero worship of cycling feats---otherwise impossible to achieve without fancy corrupted doctors, scientists, pharmaceutical firms, and corrupt corporate advertisers, is a excellent way to show you apathy.

Those who care, speak out. Those that prefer ignorance and commercial bliss, (staus quo) want whistleblowers discredited and doping formums to be censured.

Silence is a greater sin than is the doping.

Originally Posted by Flyer

The same thoughts I had when Marion Jones and her/boyfriend, unmarried father of her child, Tim Montgomery both got smoked two weeks ago at a California track meet.

I wondered how their doping program were altered.

Doping affected them dramatically.

Originally Posted by Flyer

I love the lying, cheating and denial of the doping. It illustrates my points so well. It validates that widespread doping practices are still very much in play. Last week, it was House boy Luca De Angeli who went EPO positive and was exposed. Who will be next?

And the dopes, such as House who represent the doping problem for for what it is:

Clinical denial and commercial fraud dressed up as sporting fancy.

House is a loser, but our new forum is a WINNER!





[QUOTE=House]In other words you don't actually like the sport of cycling or, based on your posts, any sport, you just love the doping.

Originally Posted by fiscem4

I think that it is a sad state of affairs when a new forum has to be created to discuss doping.

What is happening to our sport?

I remember back in the day going out with my training partner on a sunday and getting lost for 8 hours on back roads, me dragging his tired a$$ up hills all day and then pushing 50mph on the downhills. I remember long rides with my college team in those nasty downpours that I've only seen in NC. I remember how racing was about pushing yourself to the limit and suffering for your team, not winning at any cost. That was hardcore.

A sad state of affairs indeed...