Things that piss me off about some Christians...

Darjevon

If im not mistaken, you seem to be doing the exact same thing.

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skippygirl

Evolution is a theory
Relativity is a theory
Quantum phisics is a theory
The above are observations of sets of conditions from which we draw conclusions. Many of these conclusions are so "true" that we are able to act as though they are laws. Where would the space programs be of it were not for theories in physics. Because "theories" are being implemented doesn't stop the launching of rockets, space flight, etc. For that matter we teach these subjects in public schools with not a single protest.
As to germ theory, the conclusions we draw help to keep people, animals and plants healthy. We have found successful ways to battle infections by microbes that invade us everyday. Would a god fearing creationist reject a dose of antibiotic for their child? Would they insist it is not important to wash their hands after changing a baby's diaper? Perhaps they bypass the rabies shot for there beloved dog. All these perscribed actions are based on a theory but I do not hear any debate here.
It is only when we come around to evolution that "theory" takes on the characteristic of being so unreliable that it must be purged from our schools.

Jag I hope that clears up my point

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jaguar75

Very well said...But, damn, I can not debate you because I agree with everything you have said. Especially about the space program...During Gemini, Mercury, and Apollo most of the engineers were "biting" their knuckles during every launch. The guys that strapped themselves into those rockets truly were brave and without fear.

As for the Christians...I agree...most people, including myself, sometimes struggle with thier beliefs. I am agnostic but there are times when I get to thinking, usually after a few cocktails, what if I am wrong and believe the wrong thing...Then I get my senses back and know that it is more important to be convicted, not closed minded, in your beliefs because if you are a god fearing man/woman and when you are standing before the big man, you will be doing so by yourself to atone for your life and no one elses...

my 2 cents!

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skippygirl

When I ponder the premises of the dominant monotheistic religions I am appalled that thinking people actually put stock in the stuff. It’s the worst form of gambling. If they bet their souls on Christianity then they have to decide Protestant or Catholic. After deciding between those two there are more sects to choose from that believe they are the bearers of the Truth. Of course there is nondenominationality for those too spineless to commit. My sentiment: If one belief system in the supernatural could be wrong then they are all wrong.

I have also concluded that deity worship is nothing but ego worship. Gods are given emotions and personalities that are identical to that of humans. I would like to think that a god would be well above us. But the religious folks have that covered too: He made us in his image. How convenient.

I must confess I am an Atheist. I find comfort in the fact that nothing happens to me for some cosmic reason. The events in my life are explained by statistical probabilities. I know that there are a huge number of variables affecting my world at any given moment that create situations from the most mundane to the most profound. No hocus pocus.

Thus I want no supernatural garbage in our schools, in our government nor determining our laws.

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jaguar75

Gee...do you feel strongly about this topic...I would never have guessed!!!
You wrote your last post with a lot of anger, I could almost feel it jumping out of my screen...
You sound very educated on the subject, what do you do for a living?


So are you saying that I am spineless? I am a very educated man and love astronomy and love to read about the mysteries of the universe, however, to me, underneath all of the beautiful images I have seen and under all of the scientific explenations there has to be something greater. I live my life with my heart as my guide and my brain as my reason, I could not go through life always searching for the answers, there just has to be some mystery left to interpretation...give me the answers when I die. Having said all of that, I do not subscribe to any religion created by man to serve man becasue they are corrupt, self-serving entities, I choose to believe that there is a god underneath all of the beauty and mystery that surrounds us because it just doesn't make sense for the universe to be a coincidence.

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limerickman

I tried my best to avoid this topic but I can't resist.

Some here seem to be making the suggestion that having a religious faith and science are incompatible.

While I do not buy the creationist line of taking every single line of the Bible as literal truth, I do not buy the "science can explain everything therefore there is no God" line, either.

To try to apply scientific concepts to what is a metaphysical subject (God), is not practical for either the agnostic scientist or the true believer in God.
The fact is that science cannot explain everything and the concept of God is so intangible that His (Her) existance is, for now, unprovable by scientific methods.

As a Roman Catholic, I accept the tenets of RC doctrine and teaching.
I also believe that God encourages man to discover truths through science
within His universe.
So while I respect the scientists and their proofs, I believe that these proofs
are contained within a context created by Him (Her).

That's me tuppence worth.

jhuskey

Lim, I too try to avoid making any comment in theology or politics but sometimes to quote Tom Cruze..."what the hell".
Yesterdays fiction is todays science and the future,who can guess, let us not be so arrogant to believe that we frail humans are self sustaining and can manifest our fate.
Most can't even deal with every day life.....yet we are quick to divulge our take on the true meaning of life and the universe.
I will try to keep an open mind and yet know that I am a speck of cosmic dust on a flea's ass.
When someone comes up with a real good story in opposition as to what I may believe, I might take heed.
Until then I am in awe to THE GREATER THAN I.

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skippygirl

I say the spineless ones are the ones who say "as long as you believe." If that is all it takes then there is no reason to keep it in the public realm. Let people keep it between their ears (or in their hearts) and out of the common spaces of government, schools, businesses and most of all my living room, bedroom etc.
The scientific method is a human creation thus it carries limitations. But, it can and should be applied to everything. It is wrong for anyone to argue a higher authority based on a claim that is exempt from question. It baffles me that millions of people fall for this.
It is part of human nature to try to make sense of the world. We fill in the blanks as best we can. Unfortunately we think so much of ourselves that we have come to believe that if we cannot figure “it” out then it must be supernatural. How arrogant!

You ask what I do for a living. I am an EDI specialist in the morning then turn into a Realtor at night

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BassDave

I wonder how long it will take our scientific technology to advance to the point to explain certain things that people have witnessed, be it the 'metephysical', or documented healings, . . . .stuff like that.

Also, I don't think that it is 'arrogant' when someone places one of these situations in the 'spiritual' realm. Here's a story I heard yesterday at my church. A latino lady was needing prayer for something in her life and another lady went over to pray for her. She didn't know what the problem was, so didn't know how to pray. She decided to 'speak in tongues' [I normally don't think such things are truly real] and afterwards, the latino lady thanked her for the prayer and ask her how she knew spanish so well. The lady who prayed had never learned spanish, not having even taken one class on the subject, but the latino lady said that she spoke with the same inflections as where she [the latino lady] was raised.

Now, a story like that is hard to explain.

wilmar13

Man as much as I am willing to defend religion against most mindless atheistic rhetoric, you are just asking to be bent over on this one. We already have scientific technology to explain this... it is called psychology. I will say it again, science and religion complement each other. Only those that understand little of either will argue one contradicts the other.

MountainPro

its all done with mirrors...i saw it on...'when magicians attack III - the unseen parts'

didnt you see david copperfield make a jumbo jet dissappear?...now thats what i call spooky....

jaguar75

The one big difference you are not seeing here is that Agnostic people, like myself, tend to be people that have been searching for the missing "something" in their spirituality and have ultimately found it within themselves. My relaitonship with God is mine alone!
Christians and most other religions for that matter are "required" to spread their word and actively seek to convert people to their cause. This is where I think your logic applies and I agree with you, however, don't EVER assume that just becasue someone has found their "love" for their "Creator" that "It is wrong for anyone to argue a higher authority based on a claim that is exempt from question." If you don't understand it then leave it alone for those that do not shove it down your throat...what works for you works for you. Like it or not that very same gamble that you say everyone is taking by buying into the religion thing...you are also gambling by making the choice NOT to buy in...Remember the saying "Making the choice not to decide is infact making a decision"

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davidmc

Here's some new ground my friend

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