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Join Date: May 2006
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Hey everyone.
'fraid I'm a newbie, so apologies if my questions have missed the obvious. Fergie, in your schedule (a large chunk of which I'm using, and have picked up a load of speed over the last 6 weeks - thanks!), you talk about reps of 6s max speed - is this a high cadence exercise with a moderate/low gear to develop leg speed, or should I be using a 'track' sized gear (eg 88 inches) to develop power? Also, I don't have access to equipment/people (or money!) to test my VO2 max - is there any way I can use training levels based on heartrate or similar? And does the 12 sets of 15s on, 15s off max VO2 actually mean a 6 minute training session (or am I being incredibly dumb)? Would appreciate any help anyone can give me. Cheers, Sam. Quote:
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Hey Bill.
I'm coming back to racing after 5 or 6 years off! I've kept fit during this time (fair amount of cyling, running, etc), but nothing in the explosive/power range, though this is what I was naturally better at when I was last racing. Have started specific sprint training for this season pretty late - only about 6 or 7 weeks and have been concentrating on getting speed and cadence back. I don't really have the time to do the whole of Fergie's programme (nor the regular cash to get access to a gym with a decent squat bar or leg press), and if I did manage to follow it to the letter, I'd burn myself out after a month. (Given that I'm pretty undertrained at the moment.) In addition to the bike stuff (which I've been doing, though more towards the max power end rather than an threshold stuff), I do some overgeared starts every other week. Also, from this week, I'm going to start doing some lower body plyometrics once a week. Hard to gauge accurately quite how much faster I'm going - I'm now able to hold long (20s) sprints much easier and with faster average speed on the turbo. Can also now get a decent sized gear (48x15, outdoor concrete) to top speed and still have something left in the tank to hold it and then kick again. Will be doing the local track league from Monday onwards, so I'll let you know how I do.... And if anyone knows the answers to my previous questions re Fergie's programme, it would be much appreciated!! Cheers, Sam. Quote:
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Sam my man, It's great to hear that you can't keep a good man down! Fergie's program is quite sound, and centers around the basic fundamentals of sprinting. From what I've read here, you need to continue what you have started. You said that you have remained fit, yet still realise that in order to sprint at a decent level you require a great deal more work. Six-seven weeks is not a long time when embarking on a solid program. Not sure how old you are, but age will be a determining factor on your progress. If I could offer any advise, continue what you are doing. And do as much as is possible, ( commitments, work, family, etc). And don't be afraid to build up the leg speed and endurance on 82-86" gears. You will recover better and then be able to do more training. You mentioned that you have raced before, you will know when the time is right to bump your training gears to 88" + . 2006 |
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I'd skip the plyometrics in favor of other training that is much more specific for your goals. Maybe next year if you feel like you have lots of time to train you can use some things that are not so specific but maybe still helpful. The 15/15's would be continuous for 5+ minutes. For a track sprint type rider (I am one) you will be better served to use 30/30's because these will include a harder acceleration that will help develop your ability to accelerate on the track. The 15/15's have a short rest and the accelerations can't be as hard, in part because your speed won't drop as much, and because you don't have enough recovery time to do some decent accelerations. 15/15's would be more suitable for a pursuit rider or similar. Generally, you'd start out with about 10 minutes of total on/off time (e.g. 2 sets of 5x 30/30", 5 efforts of 30" with 4 efforts of rest between) and work up to 20 minutes or so, depending on your objectives. Allow 3-5' rest between sets depending on your fitness. You can estimate your VO2max HR with intervals that illicit VO2max, like 4' as hard as you can do at steady pace, rest 5', repeat. I don't know why you'd really need to know your VO2max HR, just do the intervals by the effort you can sustain for the duration without slowing down much. Generally, HR isn't very useful for efforts done faster than your threshold. |
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Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
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Gidday Sam
Thanks for your comments. I think the programme is pretty ambitious. I would recommend less volume but put more intensity into efforts and allow full recovery. Theo Bos is quoted as saying a big part of his training is rest and a guy who wins the World Keirin by that much should be taken seriously. The Brits also do far less volume now and have greater recovery times. Quote:
Can be 50m standing starts, 75m rolling starts or 100m flying coming off the motorbike or on a windtrainer with low resistance. On the road they can be done with short hills, sprinting over the top for power, sprinting from the bottom for acceleration and sprinting downhill for leg speed .I have riders who don't have track access who put 50m 75m 100m 150m 200m and 500m markings down on the road for doing efforts. Quote:
Wouldn't worry about it. If your sprinting and vO2 comes into play something is wrong. Having a speedo that tells you max speed could be handy or down the track someone recording split times. In sprinting you don't aim to overload the body in the same way endurance riders do so you should always be aiming to go faster or lift more in the gym. Quote:
Could be, although you would want to spend a while warming up for that type of effort. For training VO2 I have gone to pursuit pace efforts over 90sec to 3min rather than the on off efforts. I still think it's important to develop the aerobic system. Good thing is that pure sprinters don't have much of a aerobic system to start with and it doesn't take long Hamish Ferguson Cycling Coach ps, sorry for taking a while to reply, busy times, 3 of the 4 14-15 year old riders I started working with last year have made the NZ team and been flat out getting them up to speed for a trip to Aus. |
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Me too, did nothing for 5 years. I expect it to take me a good three years to gt back into any sort of fitness to tackle some challenging racing goals. Quote:
On reflection I would say halve the programme, either the volume each day or take 2-3 hard sessions out per week. Quote:
All good stuff. Quote:
Cool, keep us up to date. Hamish Ferguson Cycling Coach |
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Wow! Thanks for everyone getting back to me so quickly - all my questions answered and lots of food for thought. Glad to know I'm heading in the right direction. Right now, having got the racing bug again, I'll do the training I can (it's a good thing that my schedule forces me to do no more than 3 decent sessions a week - though then again, I've never been one for 'getting the miles in'
) and see how I'm going as the season progresses. At 27, I ain't aiming for the Olympics, but just hope to mix things up locally.Thanks again and ride fast. Sam. Quote:
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Its amazing at the quality of posts that you can get on this forum and FGF. Warren G, 2006...oops 6002, Fergie back to back to back.
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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Sam,
I didn't realise that you are still a puppy of 27yr. I might not have been so easy on you. Get work'in, you will be back ! Bill: I'am not sure who I'am some days either. 2006 AKA 6002 |
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