Page 12 - Armstrong has been tinkered with!!

24-02.-2005, 06:09 AM

#166

mjolnir2k

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Re: Armstrong has been tinkered with!!

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Originally Posted by Flyer

Get off your bike--and learn about elite sport.

I am not sure which you have in greater supply...ignorance or hatred of Lance.

Either way you are a pathetically sad little man. I extend my symapthies to those who know you and are subjected to your painful ignorance on a daily basis.

Maybe if YOU got on a bike once in a while you might understand the possibilities of athletic endeavor and achievement. However I am certain that will always escape the likes of you.

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24-02.-2005, 07:29 AM

#167

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Re: Armstrong has been tinkered with!!

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Originally Posted by mjolnir2k

I read the first few posts by Limerickman and Flyer and then got bored...

Are you two guys that jealous of a bike rider that you are consumed by the thought that he must be doping. It's really quite sad and shows how limited you are mentally.

The assertion that his change in form is impossible without the use of a performance enhancing substance is ludicrous. Have either of you actually taken part in a competitive sporting event? I have raced for 12 years (MTB then Road) and the first few years I really suffered. My form was poor and my training skills were lacking.

In my third year of racing (CAT 3) I was sponsored by a small bike company in NJ and to meet their expectations I drastically altered my training regimen, dropped 15 pounds (175 to 160) and improved my cardio.

My fourth year found me placing in the top 10 consistently and taking several podiums (4-3rds, 6-2nds and 2-1sts). These were all races that I had not previously gotten out of the pack.

I am by NO MEANS close to any of these pro's in terms of ability, yet I was able to change my own performance drastically by means of training and diet.

Now consider that LA has WORLD CLASS coaches, trainers and equipment designed to enhance his performances and consider how he might have been able to do the same.

Try and set aside your hatred/ jealousy of LA for a second and possibly you might come to understand that extreme changes are possible without drugs.

I am positive that I will receive replies that I am another LA robot, but the fact is that there is NO PROOF to the doping allegations and LA is tested more than any other athlete alive. SHOW ME THE PROOF???/

Face the facts, you are both wrong. Now go out, get a bike and try riding it.

Very good example. and good job!
I don't think most people grasp the difference dropping a few pounds can make even on the flats-(reduced resistence, drag). Simple physics seems to escape most. Power to weight ratio is one the most important concepts.
http://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm
Play around with above calculator and hold power out the same and start dropping weight.- 180 lb 200 watts- 20.7 mph 30 miles 1:26:57
170 lbs 200 watts 20.9 mph 30 miles 1:26:07
almost a minute at 30 miles on flats. If you start doing uphill the difference is dramatic.

24-02.-2005, 08:08 AM

#169

mjolnir2k

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Re: Armstrong has been tinkered with!!

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Originally Posted by Flyer

No worries, my squad will drill it the opening 30 seconds and you'll be OTB dreaming about your diet & training programs. Bye now.

Your "SQUAD"...Bwahahahaha I LOVE it. Let me guess, that's your dog and another sadsack like yourself who get together to circle jerk each other while chanting "Lance Sucks...Lance Sucks".

Yes, your "SQUAD" certainly would "Drill it" in the first 30 seconds...I pity your poor dog.

I do have to commend you for using the biker lingo "OTB". Very impressive. Gee you MUST be the real deal. Wow, you are so impressive to the likes of us lowly bike riders.

Don't you have a new "Lance is on DOPE" thread to start or something to get yourself some attention (which you apparently lacked growing up)? Or is this the night you play Dungeons and Dragons in your spandex tights?

What an AssClown you are. hahahahahahahahaha.

ps. Say "Hi" to your "SQUAD" for me.....Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

24-02.-2005, 08:57 AM	#170
Perro Loco Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 121	Re: Armstrong has been tinkered with!! In justifying the classification of a theory as a conspiracy theory, detractors tend to level accusations that the theory is: Not backed up by sufficient evidence. Phrased in such a way as to be unfalsifiable. Improbably complex. Defenders point out in response that: Those powerful people involved in the conspiracy hide, destroy, or obfuscate evidence. Skeptics / apologists are not (in their opinion) prepared to keep an open mind. Skeptics / apologists may be politically motivated and have a vested interest in the status quo.

24-02.-2005, 10:12 AM

#171

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Re: Armstrong has been tinkered with!!

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Originally Posted by mjolnir2k

mjolnir could you possibly try to construct arguments that aren't predicated on personal abuse? We are all entitled to our opinions and this forum is somewhere to voice them. We might disagree with each other but your posts have brought what was a reasonable discussion of what is potentially a very serious subject to the level of a playground pissing contest.

24-02.-2005, 12:53 PM

#172

tas1978

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Re: Armstrong has been tinkered with!!

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Originally Posted by Flyer

Call your buddies Barry Bonds & OJ Simpson--they are as looney as your are. Steroids can cause that too. Perhaps you already know that?

Hey, this is a little off topic, but I thought you guys would get a laugh from it. This is a quote from Jose Conseco's new autobiography in which he tells all about his drug use:

“One definite side effect of steroid use is the atrophying of your testicles. But here's the point I want to emphasize: what happens to your testes has nothing to do with any shrinking of the penis. That's a misconception. As a matter of fact, the reverse can be true. Using growth hormone can make your penis bigger, and make you more easily aroused. So to the guys out there who are worried about their manhood, all I can say is: Growth hormone worked for me.”

I'm sold.

24-02.-2005, 04:27 PM	#174
WayneOsWorld Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4	Re: Armstrong has been tinkered with!! I'm relatively new to this sport. A year ago I believed that 'rampant' doping meant that 20% of the elite athletes were using performance enhancing drugs. After reading these posts and many of the links, it seems that it must be 50-80% of them. I hope Lance isn't one of the dopers. But I ain't gonna bet on it. Meanwhile, until and unless it is proven, I'll admire the man. __________________ Proud caretaker of a Serotta Coeur d'Acier

25-02.-2005, 12:17 AM

#176

mjolnir2k

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Re: Armstrong has been tinkered with!!

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The athlete will have already been assimilated into a routine of daily injections and oral medications in order to carry out the average workload of a U-23 race schedule.

So my estimate is 80-90% of U-23 athletes are doping at some level. And the 10-20% that are not doping, will do so very soon (in 6 weeks to 90 days) or else they will leave the sport demoralized and with chronic fatigue.

At the pro-level (Trade Teams with demanding Sponsors) the doping habits are 100%.

So that would involve Lance, his entire sqaud and that of his competitors as well. However, not everyone uses the same type of dope, dosages, frequencies or combinations. So the best witches brew may be a big advantage.

Finally, show a rider who works the most, and I'll show you the rider you is doping at persistent dosages. At the elite level---everyone works hard, but not everyone has the same drugs or precise methods. That is reserved for the riders with the best pharma-research programs.

Champions such as Moser, Anquetil, Merckx, Lemond, must be believed over a commercially entangled current TDF winner. The facts are not on LA side.

If you wear a NIKE swosh, you MUST BE DOPED!

You speak of things that you have no basis of fact or knowledge of. This is one of the single most inane posts I have yet to see. Is it jealousy, anger or hatred which causes you to make such idiotic statements?

So, just to make sure I understand you, if a pro athlete is good they are on dope, end of story. (oh and "NIKE" is evil)

Excellent and well thought out points...

sad!

25-02.-2005, 12:59 AM

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tas1978

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Re: Armstrong has been tinkered with!!

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Originally Posted by mjolnir2k

I think Flyer left out Jeff Gordon. NASCAR drivers have more sponsors than anybody, so they must be on dope. Gordon just won the Daytona 500, so he must be doped to the gills!

25-02.-2005, 07:15 AM

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mjolnir2k

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Re: Armstrong has been tinkered with!!

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Originally Posted by Flyer

Great point.

Today it was reported that Robbie Gordon's team was fined $50,000 for cheating and 25 championship points! Illegal intake manifold.

Somebody else was fined $10,000 for an illegal transmission.

Plenty of cheating in Nascar. It is a money sport too.

btw: Do you think Ridalin or stimulants would be more helpful in Baseball or the Daytona 500?

It's a fair question.

What is it that you are so desperate to prove? That all professional sports/ athletes engage in cheating of some nature? I just can't understand your motivation...what is it that you hope to accomplish with your assertions?

Perhaps the solution for you would be to stop concerning yourself with sports as a whole. They are hardly essential to daily life and then you could spend your time focusing on topics that really do have an impact on peoples lives.

Turn off the ESPN, put down the sports magazines and stop reading USA today and you won't have to worry about all of this cheating any longer.

I for one will continue to marvel at the athletic feats of these premier athletes while accepting the fact that there is a percentage who come about their abilities and accomplishments by illicit means. Can't throw out the baby with the bath water as my old grand pappy used to say.

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