Mr. 60%, should he have his tour win revoked?

Originally Posted by Flyer

Our sport is comprised of active dopers and liars. get used to it. Check out horse or dog racing sometime. It's the same thing w/o humans. The team directors are former racers, thus ensuring more doping.

eg: Did you know that Chris Hormer, USA #1 road cyclist will be joining Sanier Duval this year. His boss will be Mauro Gianetti. The same Gianetti who on May 8, 1998 nearly died from an overdose of the HBOC drug PFC, perafloracarbon. He spent two weeks in ICU after collapsing during his Tour of Romandie. He missed that summer's TDF and may have been spared further doping embarrassment.

Do you think Chris Horner may have some doping pressure this year?

Even Johnan Museeuw Vet. neighbor practiced EPO on homing pigeons and dogs before moving to cyclists.

And while doing research on athletes in not "secret per se" it is 100% secret if a drug firm or its many proxies, funds it. Nobody talks without heavy lawsuit and patent interference attacks.

In 1983 when Amgen was researching how to make chickens grow faster (sound helpful for athletes?) it discovered EPO. That drug has won more endurance bike races than caffeine, morphine, cocaine and heroin combined.

After Amgen licenced Johnson & Johnson to sell EPO, sales grew from ZERO to over 20 Billion per year.

Think that can fund some research time?

Cunego is not the one creating national advertising themes attempting to sell the consuming public that 1) hard work = world class success in sports 2) buy these drugs or cars or cable services cause they sponsor me.

When and if Cunego sells out, then he may be questioned.

Meanwhile, just know that Italian doping methods have ruled our sport--and soccer too for many years now. It is very ironic that with respect to the TDF, the Italian doctors, can only get Indurain, Riis, Ulrich, and Armstrong on the winners step. Pantani was an a result of 50% of the riders being DQed or quiting for fear of dope searches.

Otherwise the theme is: Italian drug doctor, non Italian athlete = TDF success, 1991 to 2004, minus 1998. That is 13 TDF wins with Italian drug doctors.

The doctors were, Conconi, Cecchini, and Ferrari and these cats know dope, the very best dope for special clients.

Because Ferrari assisted Concini you have to give him the nod. 5 + 6 = 11 of 13. Pretty impressive.

Originally Posted by TiMan

He had a crit of almost 60% bro....DURING THE TOUR!

Originally Posted by figjam

Really...? 60% you say? and what credible source do you have?
I don't know where you get this BS info from.... maybe you would like us to believe that you were one of the Telekom doctors at the '96 tour, but i doubt it. FYI, whatever you hear about rider's hematocrits during the season, none of it is ever made public knowledge, much less published for uneducated morons like you who could then start all kinds of stories.

If you knew anything, you'd know that the UCI didn't begin to do routine hematocrit tests until 1997. So if he really was 60%, then the only people that would have known for sure would have been Mr Riis, and his team doctors. So whatever you are talking about, I've also heard. So have lots of people. But that's only rumors. I've heard lots of things....about lots of people... but that means nothing. You can't discredit someone for something, based on rumor alone.

Riis was a late bloomer. He spent most of his career in the service of other riders, riding for such teams as Ariostea and Gewiss. His performances never indicated his status as a contender for the Grand Tours, until he came out of the woodwork in 1995. To say he came out of nowhere is unfair and unjust. Shame on you.