what the shit is gonna be dona about putin?

Brian Cotgrove

G'day Carrerra, yes mate, as far as the political scene, it is the same here, both party's are about equal, vote for Dumb or Dumber, it's been that way for so long and will stay the same as far as I'm concerned.

We need a revolution, off with their bloody heads, bring back the guilliotine, it might smarten up the way things get done if they, (the politicians) thought their heads were on the line?

Most don't give a shit, and when you see and hear them in question time trying to do stand up comedy, I would like to kick them all up the rear ends.
They carry on worse than unsupervised school kids, and the really bad part is we pay them to carry on with this bullshit. THey are supposed to carry out the wishes of the people, I never asked them to stand and play the fool, I can do that and I'm not an elected representative.

I often wonder what would have been the outcome of the present parliamentary system if "GUY FALKES" had succeeded in his quest to blow up the houses of parliament. Would we get better government today?

I wonder?

Don't look back, unless it's to see who you dropped on the last climb. TBC

Carrera

There is a big problem with politics and democracy. What's needed is accountability and competition amongst political parties.
What I do know is that the ancient Greeks who invented democracy basically despised personality cults and leadership cults. Their idea of democracy revolved around democratic institutions, boards of elected citizens and, so, politicians risked being thrown out of office if they didn't respect democracy. Any citizen could directly challenge a political leader if he abused his position.
The main problem we face today is most westerners have swallowed this idea that we represent some kind of ideal democracy. Few people have bothered to find out for themselves what democracy actually means, where it came from and why the concept is being abused by our present politicians.
I agree with you that the whole system needs to be dismantled and reformed since after years of tradition and stagnation, we're becoming a dead duck.
Surely if politicians were subjected to the same kind of competition and accountability as any working individual, we would see real results. As it stands, we're stuck with an old boys club of incompetant old duffs who couldn't manage a booze up in a brewery, let alone run a country.
I'm told in Australia it isn't as bad as it is over here as I have family in Queensland who tell me things are better over there. Hope that's true.

Brian Cotgrove

G'day Carrerra, your right, with your assumption that we in "Queensland the Lucky State", have it better than most, Premier Peter Beatty is a good bloke for sure. He came from a working class family and is a lawyer himself, a working man made good in my books. The oposition however are a bunch of lame ducks (no disrespect to ducks either, sorry duckies).

I also agree with the commment regards the Greeks, however I understand they too, now have problems as do the USA, UK, Deutchland, France, Belgium etc.

Viva the revolution, off with their heads?

Don't look back, unless it's to see who you dropped on the last climb? TBC

davidmc

Its the same here. We have Republicans & Democrats hence-"Republicrats". I've voted 3rd party in "3" out of the last "4" presidential elections (16 yrs.) & the American electorate was naive enough to keep those self serving Republicrats in office. I voted democrat, this last time because i really, really wanted the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue out. To my chagrin, he remains. My fellow countrymen never cease to amaze me

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Brian Cotgrove

G'day davidmc, mate, I understand your disappointment at the current administration getting the nod again, you are not alone I'm sure, the only consolation is, he only just got over the line, in a tight finish so as to speak.

I know a few of your fellow countrymen, who like you were in shock, after the result, they were sure that John Kerry might be a breath of fresh air that is badly needed in your country. However it was not to be, never mind the bumbling will continue and he will kid the Merkain public that he's the answer to their collective prayers. But only for another three and a half years, it is also surprising how quickly that time will fly and the whole bullsh*t will then start all over again.

Like you I was in denial after John Howard got back in after the last election, here also, we are surrounded by people who just cannot see further than the end of their collective noses. My biggest worry is behind the scenes is the treasurer Peter Costello who is itching to get his arse in "The Prime Ministerial Chair" he is the biggest snake that ever drew breath and nasty with it too?

As carrerra said we badly need a drastic change in the way things are done in politics, at the moment it is like putting the cat in charge of the canary's. If you expect anything to change in the immediate future, all I can say is, don't hold your breath.

How these people can go on year after year doing the same thing and the public just sitting back and watching it I'll never know. I hear so many acquaintences say detrimental thing about how the government isn't doing it's job properly, but it never gets any better. We live in a democracy where it would be inconceivable for us to mount and armed insurrection, to oust the present regime but short of that what do we do to make change for the better.

That's all I can add at present, I can feel my blood pressure rising at the thought of another three years of the same bullsh*t, I'm only one lone voice in the wilderness in this country? There must be more like me and they too must feel the same about making change.

It has to come from within the political party"s themselves, however there's none so blind as them who refuse to see? If a new voice stands up and begins to say that things need to change, the public get frightened. Instead of getting behind them, they are not prepared to get out of the comfort zone, just in case the changes are too drastic.

Not only that with the vested interest of large corporations, with huge amounts of money to throw around, we are stuck in a time warp, that goes on 'ad infinitum'.

Keep the wheels in motion?

Don't look back, unless it's to see who you dropped on the last climb? TBC