what the shit is gonna be dona about putin?

davidmc

I agree, the 51% here in Murkia, must have been perpetrating a prank that went disastrously wrong, by voting for Dubya. He makes everyone believe that all we are adept at is killing people & breaking things. As history has shown, the occupying power must win the hearts & minds of the indigenous people's. We will see how history treats him if he doesn't destroy the planet during his final tenure . He is capable of it, believe me. As far as Pres. Putin is concerned, he has alot on his plate, not to mention organized crime. They are about 50 yrs. behind the U.S. We went through the same travails w/ mobsters in the 20's 30's keeping our FBI very busy. Also it takes longer than one decade to fully integrate an entire society as large & diversified as theirs into a new market driven economy.

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Brian Cotgrove

G'Day All thinking people, Just to throw a curved ball in to this discussion. Apart from the terrible tragdedy of the undersea earth quake, the following tsunami that has killed thousands of poor sods living in and around the North part of the Indian Ocean, Indonesia and the small islands of that region.

The other Big News Piece was "China Is Not Happy" about the breakaway Island of Taiwan again, they have castigated the Merkains and are not happy with the "Continued Interference of Merkia" (China news agency) by selling arms to Taiwan.

Any move to declare an independent state from China will be dealt with in no uncertain terms, said the Chinese news agency?

Looks as though Merkia can't bloody well help themselves, they have been "Uckfing About, All Around The World, For So Long" they just don't know how to stop it. There is a systemic paranoia within the administration there bordering on total insanity, and the majority of Merkain People don't see it at all? (Fancy being led by the nose by those uckfwits, and they actually pay them to do it too)

(ONE ONLY NEEDS TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES) The only reason to get involved in "IRAQ" was "OIL", this is not wishfull thinking or stupidity on my part here, but the logical truth.

The only reason to get involved in "Afgaghanistan" was to "Piss the Russians Off", that's how the "Taliban" freedom fighters came about in the first place, Merkain backed all the way.

The only reason to get involved with "IRAQ" many years ago was to finance "Madsam Hussein" against the "IRANIANS" (don't forget the Iran Iraq War) (most have, but not those who looka bit deeper than the surface).

The Merkain administration have more than a few fingers in "Fetid Pie" that is "Israel and Palestine". (they've been short shifting the Palestinians for years in favour of Israel, I wonder why?)

Talk about "World Domination", they just don't know when "Enough is Enough".

I watched a documentary only a week ago where there were two Marine Sergeants baling up young blokes at supermarkets, to Sign Up and Get Out There and Fight for Merkia.

Most of the young guys just walked, and walked and walked.They must think theses younger blokes are so gulllible, they were offering University degrees, Health Benifits Coverage, Free Dental Care. ( how do you give dental or health care to a young bloke in a body bag, or even give a corpse a better education)

It is obvious that the administration is desperate, another article in our local news paper over the weekend was, the Merkain involvement will be 150.000 trops by the middle of March?

BL has just released another Video stating that he is behind the resistance to Merkia in IRAQ and calls upon all those who want freedom from Merkian Oppression to fight to the last man.

Sorry about that but I had to have a rave, now I'll get out on me bike? TBC

davidmc

A couple of tactical nukes situated @ Beijing, the old boy network HQ, will give those bastards something to think about. America wouldn't have to use any troops to do that. All the U.S. would need are a ship or a sub w/ nuclear capability of which i am certain they posses.They better leave Taiwan alone. Besides, they (Taiwan) are the bike making capitol of the orient & they never made any overt aggressive moves toward any other country, no? China is plenty big w/o Taiwan anyway. I say sell them (Taiwan) all of the arms they can carry !!! Can i get an amen? As i have stated before, America is the preeminent armorer of the world.

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Brian Cotgrove

G'day davidmc, Mate, I'm extermely saddened by your comment regarding the China, Taiwan affair. I agree that China is big enough without Taiwan, and that Taiwan is the Bike building capital of our region, that goes without saying of course.

Although I personally ride and support our local industry in OZ, I ride a "Frezoni" custom built of course and a better built frame you could not wish to ask for or ride. Columbus tubing, not the Lightweight Aluminium or Carbon Fibre that verybody seeks to own today. In all my years of riding and the hundreds of thousands of miles I have ridden, a steel frame has never let me down but I've witnessed several of the other variety do just that.

That's beside the point, the thought of Nuclear war between China and the USA, is beyond comprehension by those amongst us who have seen the devestation that just one of those devices inflict. It is obvious to me, that you are either extremely neive or stupid, one of those two, unless of course you made your last post tongue in cheek.

Depending upon how old you are I will suggest you didn't see the devestation that Japan suffered after Hyroshima and Nagasaki. I sincerely hope you never see the likes of that ever again in a world that is fragile enough without two large country's shaping up to each other with "Nuclear Weapons".

It would not be a one way street you realise and China would not just stand by and see the USA lob a couple of nuclear missiles their way. The Merkains might well have a couple of Nuclear capable submarines at their disposal so do the "Chinese Navy" too and more than a couple believe me.

They have at any one time more than one stationed permanently off the coast of the USA just incase? Either in the Pacific Ocean or the Atlantic Ocean. Don't believe any crap you might hear from the Pentagon, that Uncle Sam has the wood on the Chinks, they are without a doubt the new force around the world but do not like Merkia, fiddle to the extent that the Merkains do.

The Long Range Nuclear Missiles that they have at their disposal are to be feared, and don't kid yourselves that "Son Of Star Wars" will save your trouble making arses either, that capability doesn't exist and if the powers to be say it does, don't listen they are filling you lot with Bullsh*t soup.

The USA are not the only ones with "Large Potential for a Military Strike on Another Nation". China has an army that would make the USA Forces look like a schoolyard after going home time, believe me. Their weaponry is just as sophisticated as the rest of the world if not more so, they haven't exactly been twiddling their thumbs while the Merkains have been building the shit they sell today.

I have as a "Martial Artist" in my numerous years of walking the various country's of this world, learned a very valuable lesson, that lesson is, never underestimate the capabilities of your opponenet. If the administration or the "War Mongers of the USA" think for one minute it would be a piece of cake I would sincerely suggest you and your fellow countrymen take a good long look at the hystory books.

That is of course, if you are able to get access to such sensitive material and read of what Japan had to contend with and are still contending with all these years after that terrible moment that the USA dropped the first Nuclear Weapon on the Japanese People.

I know there will be some who will say "BUT" it put an ends ot the second world war, and the Japs Deserved it because they attacked the USA first and all that sort of Bullsh*t. If it had not been for that attack on the USA they would not have entered the "Second World War in Europe" in the firts place. Be that as it may, it does not excuse any body for using such weapons on other members of the human race.

War is a Bloody, Crazy, Destructive and Debiltating Force that never solves any problems, and if the thought of 'WAR" suits you then I say go see a psychiatrist before you get any older, because you have a very real problem.

Maybe you 've never been confronted by another human with a gun in his hands and seen the terror in his eyes, it is not a pretty sight and one I would never recommend to anyone beileve me, but that's another story?

While I'm at it, I know from personal experience what it is like to be "BOMBED OUT" of our Home, not once but twice, during the second world war. I was just a little child of only four years of age when that happened to me and my family at the hands of the German Luftwaffe". I do not hold a grudge against those men who dropped the bombs, because they were only following orders, and I survived anyway. Maybe I was destined to survive so that I could possibly relate to others what is involved in "WAR", there are no winners but there are many millions of losers.

I still carry a scar that will be with me for the rest of my time, maybe not visible to the naked eye but is there and will remain until I depart this world.

Don't be too quick to grab a gun, because others so inclined can do the same? Have a good day now, and keep the wheels in motion?TBC

Carrera

"That's beside the point, the thought of Nuclear war between China and the USA, is beyond comprehension by those amongst us who have seen the devestation that just one of those devices inflict."

I agree. And all that is nothing compared to the forces of nature and what will happen if people fail to respect the environment. Without a doubt, the combined nuclear tests of America, China and Russia haven't helped the environment at all. Should nuclear weapons be actually used in conflict, then that could tip the ecological situation over the hilt, forcing nature to become destabilised in a way reminiscent of the dinosaur age.

Even as things stand, unless serious steps are taken to protect the environment we may well go the same way as the dinosaurs or suffer economic ruin in various parts of the globe.

FredC

Large nuclear weapons are a deterrent, and not a means of attack. Not even Bush would attempt to destroy the Earth and it's environment. Mind you.........I'll have to have another think (drink)......back shortly.

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jhuskey

The Cretaceous Period (Dinosaur Extinction) was only a small one in the grander scheme of things. Probably not to the Dinosaur but the Permian-Triassic Period extinction did away with about 95 percent of all life.
Surely we humans can out do mother nature and the cockroaches will throw us a going away party.

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FredC

There is no grand scheme of events in the universe, it is all random, all pervasive by the recent supposed constructions of what passes for the civilisation from the point of view of the author.
You had your 'Trail of Tears'. Well so does everyone else, perhaps you might consider this when you consider peoples taking a stance. Some Live, Some Die, and we hope that fortitude and resistence are all worth fighting for.

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jhuskey

I don't really know if there is a discernable pattern of events in the scheme of things I just know that mankind seems bent on destroying itself.
At a moment people are ready to kill at the next they show compasion and charity.
I hope that the kinder side of humanity has the most will and longevity.
One person can make a difference... in either direction. Lets hope it is the best one.

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FredC

We know from experience that mankind can only impose and institute it's own parameters from the victors point of retrospect. This has always been the case.
You will all be pleased to know that I shall not be contributing to this site from early January, as cycling matters, and what you will see on the TV will take precedence. Jeeezus, I can hear the cheers, ye bastards.

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jhuskey

Pleased... Nah I can always find someone else to piss me off on occasion, but you are unique in your own way.
Happy New Year Fred


Heres a steroetypical freebee for you Fred.
Y'all come back now ya hear!

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davidmc

You could've saved yourself a 1/2 hr. of typing because the comment was "tongue in cheek" although, the idea of China's absorption of Taiwan is, to me, wholly unacceptable & therefore the thrust of the argument remains the same. I believe it is disingenuous, on the one hand, to trade 100's of millions/billions of dollars w/ them then, on the other hand, to turn a blind eye when China has them up against the wall, so to speak. As an aside, I am a veteran of the 3rd & 7th [based in Japan, mind you] (American) fleets, respectively, so i have a thorough understanding of the consequences. I merely exaggerated my idea of retaliation to get the point across. Exaggeration is effective in this manner, look at all of the post's generated by the fictitious scenario. Back to my orig. contention-China is a power not to be taken lightly, as they have maintained their stranglehold on their peoples civil liberties or rather lack thereof well into the oughts (?). The only other communist, "big brother", regime to compare is N. Korea. So they must be watched very, very closely.

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davidmc

Not contributing? Come on FredC, you are in the northern hemisphere, i suspect, so what could take you away? Cycling events? It's your buisiness.

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George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

Brian Cotgrove

G'day davidmc, I thought as much, however one never knows who is responding to the post's. There are a lot of very strange people out there, you may know a few, I certainly do.

I agree that China doesn't need Taiwan but it's been part of China for so long they are never going to kiss them goodbye, and wish them God's Speed because one only has to look what the Chinese Government have done to TIBET.

Communism isn't the big bogey that the USA administratiuon makes it out to be, if it is applied the way it was intended, without those who are in power taking more than the ones who are at the lowest level. That is where it all falls down, much like modern politics and the so-called democratic society we live in.

As far as the typing is concerned it is not a problem, it keeps my mind active and I enjoy the challenge of stringing the words together anyway?

That is the reason, I suppose, for my participation in the forums in the first place.

I have first hand experience of China, through travel, as well I have participted in Martial Arts of the Orient for a number of years, both Chinese and Jarpanese. Something I got interested in while in HM Forces many years ago. I had a great Chinese teacher who originates from a long line of teachers (five generations) of the Chen Style. The other was from Okinawa who taught the original straight style. Both unfortunately have gone back to their country's of origin, both are in their late eighty's and I still communicate with them occassionally.

I have a Daughter in Law who comes from the New Territory's North of Hong kong. She isn't too happy with the way things have gone since the British handed the Island back to the Chinese Government. Many of her family want to get out but cannot, they cannot get an entry to OZ either, even if she sponsors them. Life for them is bleak at times, so much for human rights, but things hopefully will get better as time passes, we can only hope so, for their sakes.

Apart from that, life goes on and I'm a lucky sod, I can sit here and enjoy myself without it costing me too much money, what more could a man ask for?

Keep the wheels in motion, TBC