Fell off

Velvet

Jon Senior wrote:
> Velvet wrote:
> > I was asking but from a slightly different perspective, that of having
>
>> tried a 'bent tadpole. I remembered feeling something the first few
>> times I steered (then got used to it) where it felt almost like it
>> wanted to go the opposite direction to where I'd just told it to, then
>> would snap back to the 'right' way we were turning. At the time I
>> thought it was possibly just bodyweight shifting to the 'outer' side
>> of the turn before I compensated to lean 'in' to the turn, but what
>> you said made me wonder :-)
>
>
> Not sure that counter steer has any effect on trikes. I think the
> steering is always positive (I'm sure Mr Larrington can offer an example
> of a lean steer trike to prove me wrong though!).
>
>> It might be trikes aren't prone to the same counter-steer effect, of
>> course, since they a) don't lean over (no two-wheeled cornering for
>> me, yet)
>
>
> This is the key point. There is no lean in trike cornering.
>
> > b) the wheels aren't in line with the rear one, and c) don't have
>
>> that castor effect thing with forks?
>
>
> Actually, trikes do have castor effect. It allows you to pedal in a
> straight line without touching the controls. The steering geometry on a
> trike seems to be a relatively complex thing compared to bikes.
>
> What was the trike in question? It sounds like it could be quite
> interesting to ride.
>
> Jon

Twas an anthrotek. Nice, but not for me (too upright, too high seating
position-wise).

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Velvet

Velvet

Eiron wrote:
> Velvet wrote:
>
>> It might be trikes aren't prone to the same counter-steer effect, of
>> course, since they a) don't lean over (no two-wheeled cornering for
>> me, yet) b) the wheels aren't in line with the rear one, and c) don't
>> have that castor effect thing with forks?
>
>
> Trikes feel as if the steering is backwards.
> To turn right you know that the bars should be turned right
> but you can't stop your hands steering left.
> They are deathtraps and should be banned. :-)
>

Trike I tried had no such feel to it :-) USS, seemed fine to me. And
great fun to skid to a halt on loose gravel ;-)

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Velvet

Carol Hague

Velvet <velvet@not.a.valid.domain> wrote:

> Jon Senior wrote:
> > Velvet wrote:

> > This is the key point. There is no lean in trike cornering.

You *can* lean on corners if you want to - some people swear by it,
particularly at speed. Rob managed to lose some skin off his elbow when
unwisely leaning on his SLR during the trike racing at Spezi in Germany
last year.

> > What was the trike in question? It sounds like it could be quite
> > interesting to ride.

> Twas an anthrotek. Nice, but not for me (too upright, too high seating
> position-wise).

A tad on the heavy side too, even by trike standards. And the high seat
means a higher centre of gravity, so any leaning will have more effect.

--
Carol
"I was just being a little teapot. It's a bad habit of mine"
- Wyvern, Randall & Hopkirk (Deceased).

Danny Colyer

Eiron wrote:
> Trikes feel as if the steering is backwards.
> To turn right you know that the bars should be turned right
> but you can't stop your hands steering left.

That sums it up nicely. The steering feels distinctly odd until you get
used to it.

> They are deathtraps and should be banned. :-)

That doesn't stop me wanting one :-P

There was one advertised in a recent issue of Cycle that was the right
price and local to me. From the ad it seemed ideal. I phoned up and
found that it had been sold 2 weeks earlier to someone who had seen it
advertised in the Tricycle Association Gazette and travelled all the way
from Hull to pick it up :-(

--
Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
<URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/>
"He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

Dave Kahn

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:12:14 +0000, Eiron <e1ron@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Trikes feel as if the steering is backwards.
>To turn right you know that the bars should be turned right
>but you can't stop your hands steering left.
>They are deathtraps and should be banned. :-)

This is true of trikes with the conventional delta layout. I tried a
Pashley trike once and was embarassingly bad at steering it. I could
not get it going at all. Tadpole recumbents, however, which have two
wheels at the front and one at the back are not like that. I've had a
go on a Trice and the steering was delightfully responsive and
completely intuitive - like a go-kart.

--
Dave...

Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live. - Mark Twain

David Martin

Carol Hague wrote:
>
> You *can* lean on corners if you want to - some people swear by it,
> particularly at speed. Rob managed to lose some skin off his elbow when
> unwisely leaning on his SLR during the trike racing at Spezi in Germany
> last year.
>

Picture in the latest VeloVision? (on the doorstep when I got back from
massacring innocent plants at the allotment this morning.)

...d

congokid

In message <31s91aF3ft1siU1@individual.net>, Ambrose Nankivell
<$firstname+n$@gmail.com> writes

>Came
>off the Brompton but it's all my own stupid fault. May describe it in the
>future.

I wrote about coming off my Brompton just over a year ago. Brian's 's
fall sounds similar to mine, though in my case there was wheel slippage
- on some damp metal manhole covers at the bottom of an incline.

I still have a red lump on the end joint of my little finger where a
small cut took ages to heal properly.

--
congokid
Good restaurants in London? Number one on Google
http://congokid.com

Carol Hague

David Martin <martin-family@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Carol Hague wrote:
> >
> > You *can* lean on corners if you want to - some people swear by it,
> > particularly at speed. Rob managed to lose some skin off his elbow when
> > unwisely leaning on his SLR during the trike racing at Spezi in Germany
> > last year.
> >
>
> Picture in the latest VeloVision? (on the doorstep when I got back from
> massacring innocent plants at the allotment this morning.)

Entirely possible, but ours hasn't arrived yet - the post round here is
getting veeerrryyyy slllooowww.... :-)


--
Carol
"I was just being a little teapot. It's a bad habit of mine"
- Wyvern, Randall & Hopkirk (Deceased).

Jon Senior

Carol Hague wrote:
> You *can* lean on corners if you want to - some people swear by it,
> particularly at speed. Rob managed to lose some skin off his elbow when
> unwisely leaning on his SLR during the trike racing at Spezi in Germany
> last year.

Not what I meant but I know what you mean. The lean is by the person to
counter the lifting of wheels which can occur, rather than by the whole
trike.

Jon

Jon Senior

Eiron wrote:
> Trikes feel as if the steering is backwards.
> To turn right you know that the bars should be turned right
> but you can't stop your hands steering left.

We are at cross-purposes here. Velvet, myself and others were referring
to recumbent trikes (Usually tadpole) as apposed to upright trikes...

> They are deathtraps and should be banned. :-)

.... which are, as you rightly point out, deathtraps!

Jon

Ian Smith

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:12:14 +0000, Eiron <e1ron@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Velvet wrote:
>
> > It might be trikes aren't prone to the same counter-steer effect,
>
> Trikes feel as if the steering is backwards.

Mine doesn't.

> To turn right you know that the bars should be turned right
> but you can't stop your hands steering left.

No, never had any problems like that.

regards, Ian SMith
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JohnB

Jon Senior wrote:
>
> Eiron wrote:
> > Trikes feel as if the steering is backwards.
> > To turn right you know that the bars should be turned right
> > but you can't stop your hands steering left.
>
> We are at cross-purposes here. Velvet, myself and others were referring
> to recumbent trikes (Usually tadpole) as apposed to upright trikes...
>
> > They are deathtraps and should be banned. :-)
>
> ... which are, as you rightly point out, deathtraps!

Loadsa tosh.
They just needs some _skill_, sadly lacking in many quarters today.

John B

Jon Senior

JohnB wrote:
> Loadsa tosh.
> They just needs some _skill_, sadly lacking in many quarters today.

As do unicycles. The fact that it is possible to master the skillset
required does not change the fact that they are an abomination! ;-)

Jon

JohnB

Jon Senior wrote:
>
> JohnB wrote:
> > Loadsa tosh.
> > They just needs some _skill_, sadly lacking in many quarters today.
>
> As do unicycles. The fact that it is possible to master the skillset
> required does not change the fact that they are an abomination! ;-)

Only if you have a beard ;-)
Thankfully I don't.

John B
Trike, tandem trike, recumbent trike...