heart attacks?

Just zis Guy, you know?

On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:45:22 -0000, "Richard Goodman"
<rsk@NOSPAM.homechoice.co.uk> wrote in message
<41b4b6c6$0$66400$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>:

>You mean, there might be a law that cyclists in Germany have to wait their
>turn in the queue just like all the cars, instead of filtering between the
>lanes to the lights?

No, but back in the 1930s they built a lot of cycle lanes to clear the
cyclists out of the way of more "progressive" modes of transport.
Where these lanes exist I believe it is still illegal for them to ride
anywhere else, but ICBW.

I hesitate to mention this, because the party responsible was the
party of Godwin...

Guy
--
"then came ye chavves, theyre cartes girded wyth candels
blue, and theyre beastes wyth straynge horn-lyke thyngs
onn theyre arses that theyre fartes be herde from myles
around." Chaucer, the Sheppey Tales

Just zis Guy, you know?

On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:47:16 -0000, "half_pint"
<info@uk.millwardbrown.com> wrote in message
<31jr82F3buldpU1@individual.net>:

>> >>I actual quite like
>> >>the current Top Gear format - it's more entertaining than the old show,
>> > Damning with faint praise...
>> Indeed.
>By and large it is a very entertaining program considering the other
>options on terrestial TV,

More faint praise...

Guy
--
"then came ye chavves, theyre cartes girded wyth candels
blue, and theyre beastes wyth straynge horn-lyke thyngs
onn theyre arses that theyre fartes be herde from myles
around." Chaucer, the Sheppey Tales

Richard Goodman

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <uce@ftc.gov> wrote in message
news:tee9r09gmg8g45ijqelhndpa5v7oonrhvb@4ax.com...
> No, but back in the 1930s they built a lot of cycle lanes to clear the
> cyclists out of the way of more "progressive" modes of transport.
> Where these lanes exist I believe it is still illegal for them to ride
> anywhere else, but ICBW.
>

Hmm, I could see that being stressful enough to bring on heart attacks even
without traffic jams

Rich

JLB

Richard Goodman wrote:
> "Patrick Herring" <ph@anweald.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:41b4a9ba.27512884@usenet.plus.net...
>
>
>>Maybe there are laws there of which we know nothing. We do know many
>>Germans won't jay-walk across an empty road.
>>
>
>
> You mean, there might be a law that cyclists in Germany have to wait their
> turn in the queue just like all the cars, instead of filtering between the
> lanes to the lights? And they actually _follow_ that rule?? Seems it
> could be a case of 'it's cycling, Jim, but not as we know it...'

Perhaps they do. A colleague who visited Germany for the first time was
going to cross a road. There was no traffic, so he stepped out, not
bothering with the traffic signals. He was hauled back to the pavement
by his German companions who said "We don't do that here". So they all
waited for the green "walk" signal.


--
Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap

Naqerj

Danny Colyer wrote:
> simon@simonproven.co.uk wrote:
>
>> Probably, he was referring to this:
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3761012.stm
>>
>> ....and applying his usual level of logic. What the
>> study in question showed was that the level of risk
>> of a heart attack increased more for cyclists in a
>> traffic jam than it did for motorists.
>
>
> Quite. I read:
> "Heart attacks were 2.6 times more common for people stuck in cars ...
> and 3.9 times greater for cyclists."
>
> as meaning that a cyclist who gets stuck in traffic is 3.9 times as
> likely to suffer a heart attack within the hour as a cyclist who doesn't
> get stuck in traffic, while a motorist who gets stuck in traffic is 2.6
> times as likely to suffer a heart attack as one who doesn't.
>
> It says nothing about cyclists being any more or less likely than
> motorists to suffer a heart attack.
>

'Zackly - and I think that gives us the answer. Motorists are already
at a higher risk of a heart attack so getting stuck in a jam doesn't put
the risk up by much. With cyclists having a lower risk rate anyway, a
tiny increase will give be a larger percentage rise.

Jon Senior

half_pint info@uk.millwardbrown.com opined the following...
> Actually I love traffic jams!!
> I enjoy breezeing past hundreds of queueing cars.
> If there is no room to pass on the left I pass on there right
> (traffic jams are usually only on one side of the road).
> Failing that I use the pavement.

Its generally best to pass on the right regardless. You are less likely
to get caught out by someone opening a door on you and you get to ride
past the drivers which will torment them more!

> If you are one of those cyclists who frown on cycling
> on the pavement, jumping red lights etc... then maybe they
> are more prone to stress. My advice is lighten up and
> break the rules a bit.

Would you feel the same way about a driver taking your advice? Take
comfort in the fact that you will still reach your destination faster
without having to "break the rules". I don't get stressed by cyclists
who break the rules, I just wait for the inevitable squeal of tyres! :-)

Jon

Jon Senior

J Houston james@nowhere.co.uk opined the following...
> As for Clarkson, yes he's an arrogant big tosser, but you have to take
> everything
> he says with a dump-truck-fill of salt. He went up in my estimation when he
> did the IK Brunel programme on the BBC - he showed a wide knowledge
> and appreciation of a subject other than motoring. I had thought he'd make
> an arse of it, given his usual comments on things like trains.

My enduring memory of Clarkson was him taking the Toyota Corolla out for
a spin after it had just been voted Britains' favourite car (Or some-
such!). He was looking for faults but failing to find any. Eventually he
parked it in a field (with the camera set up so that it filled the
screen) and said "This is my problem with this car" and walked off
camera.

After 30 seconds of staring at a stationary car, he walked back on,
grimaced and said "It's boring!".

I don't like his attitudes, but I did find him quite entertaining.

Jon

half_pint

"Jon Senior" <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c1ed7c05ce23f13989d81@news.clara.net...
> half_pint info@uk.millwardbrown.com opined the following...
> > Actually I love traffic jams!!
> > I enjoy breezeing past hundreds of queueing cars.
> > If there is no room to pass on the left I pass on there right
> > (traffic jams are usually only on one side of the road).
> > Failing that I use the pavement.
>
> Its generally best to pass on the right regardless. You are less likely
> to get caught out by someone opening a door on you and you get to ride
> past the drivers which will torment them more!
>
> > If you are one of those cyclists who frown on cycling
> > on the pavement, jumping red lights etc... then maybe they
> > are more prone to stress. My advice is lighten up and
> > break the rules a bit.
>
> Would you feel the same way about a driver taking your advice? Take
> comfort in the fact that you will still reach your destination faster
> without having to "break the rules". I don't get stressed by cyclists
> who break the rules, I just wait for the inevitable squeal of tyres! :-)

You will be a long time waiting, in my case at least. I only jump red
lights when it is safe to so, most dirvers do not drive bad enough to
actually mount the pavement (usually).
>
> Jon

half_pint

"Jon Senior" <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c1ed7c05ce23f13989d81@news.clara.net...
> half_pint info@uk.millwardbrown.com opined the following...
> > Actually I love traffic jams!!
> > I enjoy breezeing past hundreds of queueing cars.
> > If there is no room to pass on the left I pass on there right
> > (traffic jams are usually only on one side of the road).
> > Failing that I use the pavement.
>
> Its generally best to pass on the right regardless. You are less likely
> to get caught out by someone opening a door on you and you get to ride
> past the drivers which will torment them more!
>
> > If you are one of those cyclists who frown on cycling
> > on the pavement, jumping red lights etc... then maybe they
> > are more prone to stress. My advice is lighten up and
> > break the rules a bit.
>
> Would you feel the same way about a driver taking your advice? Take
> comfort in the fact that you will still reach your destination faster
> without having to "break the rules". I don't get stressed by cyclists
> who break the rules, I just wait for the inevitable squeal of tyres! :-)


However drivers do not need to 'break the rules'.
The rules were designed by motorists for motorists, the lives of cyclists
and pedestrians are secondary.
Some streets have been reclaimed but there is a long long way to go.
..
>
> Jon

Tim Hall

On 06 Dec 2004 15:02:48 GMT, wafflycathcs@aol.compomcom
(dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote:

>>A quick googling has left me none the wiser. Does anyone know to what he was
>>referring?
>
>Probably yet another fantasy about cycling that is a total twisting of reality.
>Who knows what goes on in the retarded amoeba that is the woolly-haired w*nker.
>Top Gear went downhill *totally* when that twit took over.
>

I watched the other week, to keep up with the views of the extreme
petrolhead community. And someone had said our companies products were
on it (they weren't).

Gawd, he'd be a good self paradoy, if he wasn't so serious.

And those other two monkeys. Who the hell are they? According to Mrs.
Hall the taller one is what Clarkson would look like if played by
Stephen Fry.



Tim

Al C-F

On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:44:22 -0000, "half_pint"
<info@uk.millwardbrown.com> wrote:

On Clarkson:

>He makes a lot of money being a big-mouth so good luck to him.
>
>An essential part of being a presenter is not to boring, and the fact he is
>a household
>name says it all.

Please remember two programmes that he made recently. The celebration
of Isambard Kingdom Brunel, which was inspiring; and his documentary
about VCs, which told the story of his father-in-law amongst others,
and was incredibly moving.

Terry D

half_pint wrote:
> "Jon Senior" <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1c1ed7c05ce23f13989d81@news.clara.net...
>
>>half_pint info@uk.millwardbrown.com opined the following...
>>
>>>Actually I love traffic jams!!
>>>I enjoy breezeing past hundreds of queueing cars.
>>>If there is no room to pass on the left I pass on there right
>>>(traffic jams are usually only on one side of the road).
>>>Failing that I use the pavement.
>>
>>Its generally best to pass on the right regardless. You are less likely
>>to get caught out by someone opening a door on you and you get to ride
>>past the drivers which will torment them more!
>>
>>
>>>If you are one of those cyclists who frown on cycling
>>>on the pavement, jumping red lights etc... then maybe they
>>>are more prone to stress. My advice is lighten up and
>>>break the rules a bit.
>>
>>Would you feel the same way about a driver taking your advice? Take
>>comfort in the fact that you will still reach your destination faster
>>without having to "break the rules". I don't get stressed by cyclists
>>who break the rules, I just wait for the inevitable squeal of tyres! :-)
>
>
> You will be a long time waiting, in my case at least. I only jump red
> lights when it is safe to so, most dirvers do not drive bad enough to
> actually mount the pavement (usually).

Try standing outside the Jaguar garage in Guildford at rush hour and see how
many cars you have to dodge as they mount the pavement in order to sqeeeeze past
the jam so that they can turn left and join a different jam. I tend to join the
motorbikes on the white line between the two lines of stationary cars where
sticky out wing mirrors are the main hazard.


>
>>Jon
>
>
>


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Jon Senior

half_pint info@uk.millwardbrown.com opined the following...
> You will be a long time waiting, in my case at least. I only jump red
> lights when it is safe to so, most dirvers do not drive bad enough to
> actually mount the pavement (usually).

This is a far more common occurence than you'd credit. Google for past
threads on the subject here.

Jon

Jon Senior

half_pint info@uk.millwardbrown.com opined the following...
> However drivers do not need to 'break the rules'.
> The rules were designed by motorists for motorists, the lives of cyclists
> and pedestrians are secondary.

I don't recall there being anything in the HC that condones the killing
of cyclists or pedestrians. In fact, if all drivers followed the HC,
life as a cyclist would be pleasant. The fact of the matter is that
drivers _do_ break the rules, and endanger cyclists that way.

> Some streets have been reclaimed but there is a long long way to go.

Reclaimed in what way? Have cars been removed from them altogether?

Having cycled a lot in France, where drivers are on the whole very
courteous towards cyclists, I can see no problem with a mixture of
vehicles on the roads. The problem is when those using the roads (Be
they cyclists or drivers) start ignoring the rules.

Jon