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02-12.-2004, 11:17 PM
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Re: How many gears do you need?
MSeries skankmartin@hotmail.com opined the following...
> Careful, I think they have fun races on grass tracks that allow any > bike. Talking of tracks Jon ...... Manchester is very busy ATM, I have > heard that weekends are fully booked until the end of January Not so bad. I have no free weekends before Christmas anyway. I'll try and sort out my life at some point so I have an idea of when I'd be able to make it. Jon |
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02-12.-2004, 11:31 PM
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Re: How many gears do you need?
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 02:28:04 -0000, "half_pint"
<info@uk.millwardbrown.com> wrote in message <317crrF37v7noU1@individual.net>: >I see bikes with ridiculous amounts of gears. Indeed. Some of them have less than 24! Ridiculous. Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University |
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02-12.-2004, 11:32 PM
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Re: How many gears do you need?
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 09:02:30 +0000, Tony Raven <junk@raven-family.com>
wrote in message <318416F37pqb3U2@individual.net>: >If you mount a 30 speed system on a Rohloff 14 speed hub and a mountain >drive BB you can have 840 gears but I bet you when you come to that hill >you still won't have the right one available ;-) Plus you'll spend three days twiddling the shifters proving it :-) Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University |
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02-12.-2004, 11:33 PM
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Re: How many gears do you need?
On 2 Dec 2004 10:08:36 GMT, "Arthur Clune" <ajc22@york.ac.uk> wrote in
message <compj4$uu$1@pump1.york.ac.uk>: >s/still won't have right one available/will fall off while trying to choose >a gear from the 840 gears and 4 levers/ fall off a trice? perhaps this is one rider who genuinely needs a PFDB! Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University |
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02-12.-2004, 11:40 PM
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Re: How many gears do you need?
Andy Dingley wrote:
> The important thing is to have a wide _range_ of gears. I like > Shimano's "megarange" idea, because a really low crawler gear is the > difference between more people riding or them saying "Oh no, I can't > get up the hill to my house - best take the car". I liked the idea until I tried it on a bike. In practice I found that the jump from 2nd to "0th" (the very low gear that replaces what would be first) is so great it entirely disrupts the natural flow through the gears and there's the sort of jump in cadence that causes one to abandon ship in any case. I'd much sooner have a slightly greater but even jump between all the gears. > Enormous numbers of gears aren't about having lots of gearing range, > they're about having narrow gaps between them. Not on my bike they're not, they're about an enormous range (23"-120" or thereabouts). Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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02-12.-2004, 11:43 PM
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Re: How many gears do you need?
Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> Indeed. Some of them have less than 24! Ridiculous. Can't see much need for more than, oooh, 14 myself... Unfortunately I've ordered Roos not to let me buy myself a Speedhub until the kitchen is reglazed :-( Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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02-12.-2004, 11:44 PM
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Re: How many gears do you need?
Andy Dingley vaguely muttered something like ...
> Enormous numbers of gears aren't about having lots of gearing range, > they're about having narrow gaps between them. I disagree. A mountain bike, which is what I mostly ride, positively benefits from a very wide range of gears, from flat-out downhills to very slow, steep uphills .. > This is _only_ a > benefit if you're so highly trained that you're noticeably more > efficient in one gear than the adjacent one. Some people are, but it's > not that many who can really feel a one-tooth difference rather than a > two-tooth difference. I disagree. If you're unfit a wide space between gears can easily be felt and can easily make the difference between riding and walking/ -- Paul ... http://www.4x4prejudice.org/index.php "A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using." (8(|) Homer Rules !!! |
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02-12.-2004, 11:47 PM
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Re: How many gears do you need?
Peter Clinch wrote:
> Just zis Guy, you know? wrote: > >> Indeed. Some of them have less than 24! Ridiculous. > > > Can't see much need for more than, oooh, 14 myself... Unfortunately > I've ordered Roos not to let me buy myself a Speedhub until the kitchen > is reglazed :-( Did you take the last one apart in the kitchen then? Colin |
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03-12.-2004, 12:08 AM
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Re: How many gears do you need?
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 02:28:04 -0000, "half_pint" > <info@uk.millwardbrown.com> wrote: > > >>Yes it sounds great in "oneupmanship" to say "well actually I have >>35 gears :OP " but do you really need them. > > > 21 is about the optimum for an "everyday" bike. The bike I use every day has 24 gears (roughly) but everyday I use maybe only 7 of them, less if I can be arsed to try . So I could if I really wanted to convrt it back to a 16 speed and wouldn't miss a thing, I could also make the cassette narrower too, making it 14. I guess I could also make it into a 8 speed (2x4). But I don't want to just in case I get a headwind or a tailwing or have to carry some luggage or happen to ride up Sneck Yate Bank or The Lecht Road. To answer your question I need one gear but I want more to make life easier and/or faster.. |
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03-12.-2004, 12:10 AM
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> >Did you take the last one apart in the kitchen then? > LOL ! |
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03-12.-2004, 12:48 AM
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 02:28:04 -0000, "half_wit" > <info@uk.millwardbrown.com> wrote in message > <317crrF37v7noU1@individual.net>: > >> I see bikes with ridiculous amounts of gears. > > Indeed. Some of them have less than 24! Ridiculous. Oh dear. Does that mean I'm forbidden to ride Cosimo on the grounds of Too Few Gears? -- Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ World Domination? Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine) |
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03-12.-2004, 01:07 AM
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Re: How many gears do you need?
Andy Dingley <dingbat@codesmiths.com> writes:
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 02:28:04 -0000, "half_pint" > <info@uk.millwardbrown.com> wrote: > >>Yes it sounds great in "oneupmanship" to say "well actually I have >>35 gears :OP " but do you really need them. > > 21 is about the optimum for an "everyday" bike. Depends - my speedhub only has 14, but they're 14 evenly spaced gears - better than a typical 21 setup for many purposes. |
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03-12.-2004, 02:35 AM
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In article <318kj9F393mluU1@individual.net>, Paul - xxx wrote:
>Andy Dingley vaguely muttered something like ... > >> Enormous numbers of gears aren't about having lots of gearing range, >> they're about having narrow gaps between them. > >I disagree. A mountain bike, which is what I mostly ride, positively >benefits from a very wide range of gears, from flat-out downhills to very >slow, steep uphills .. But you can have a very wide range of gears without very many, so long as you tolerate big gaps between them. >> This is _only_ a >> benefit if you're so highly trained that you're noticeably more >> efficient in one gear than the adjacent one. Some people are, but it's >> not that many who can really feel a one-tooth difference rather than a >> two-tooth difference. > >I disagree. If you're unfit a wide space between gears can easily be felt >and can easily make the difference between riding and walking/ Only if the highest gear you can ride in is so low that you can't balance or walking is faster. Otherwise staying on the lower edge of the gap just means going slower than you would in the ideal gear. (But being slower can be annoying even if you aren't any less efficient in the lower gear.) |
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03-12.-2004, 03:54 AM
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"Pete Biggs" <pwrinkledgrape{remove_fruit}@biggs.tc> wrote in message news:<317hs6F38kremU1@individual.net>...
> half_pint wrote: > > > I see bikes with ridiculous amounts of gears. > > I don't think 24, 27 or even 30 gears are ridiculous. They provide a wide > range of closely spaced gears to make pedalling more > pleasant--particularly useful for those who cycle in hilly areas and are > fussy about caddence. However, I would like to see more bikes with fewer > gears made available for those who don't want them. > And also *decent* components for riders who prefer less gears, as an alternative to the usual cheapo low-end 5sp. and 6sp. offerings; the move to greater numbers of sprockets means that chain and cog clearances are getting tighter - not good for off-road users, as this means that things tend to clog up more easily. David E. Belcher |
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03-12.-2004, 04:44 AM
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Re: How many gears do you need?
"Andy Dingley" <dingbat@codesmiths.com> wrote in message
news:674uq018angsrf5hegsnp87mpkpgpc2tlf@4ax.com... > Enormous numbers of gears aren't about having lots of gearing range, > they're about having narrow gaps between them. This is _only_ a > benefit if you're so highly trained that you're noticeably more > efficient in one gear than the adjacent one. Some people are, but it's > not that many who can really feel a one-tooth difference rather than a > two-tooth difference. > Larger numbers of gears can be about both range and spread - wider range _and_ narrower gaps across the range. Anyone should be able to _notice_ a difference between a one tooth gap and a two-tooth gap. One is easier to pedal than the other. Whether it is _important_ or not depends on your application. In some situations it could mean the difference between being able to stay on the bike and having to get off and walk on a hill, it can affect comfort and ease or difficulty in maintaining a consistent speed in wind, in competition it could mean the difference between keeping up and getting dropped - including competition as in across town commutes  Butof course, if you always pootle then perhaps it doesn't matter much. Rich |
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