POLL: Condi Rice is ...

Brian Cotgrove

Fred, there you go again, jumping to conclusions, when will you admit your clutching at straw's.

You neeed to live here to know of which you speak, and seeing as how you don't, your up a creek without a paddle again.

The other oZZie's you speak of were a bit precious about the use of such phrases.

'Poofta" was in use long before I ever came to live here, it described an item not neccessarily a person, however it could also be used to describe a person too, but not with the connotations that were bleated about by some of the more touchy people that were posting then.

I was quite surprised when those same people remarked about the use of the term, it has been used for so long it is part of the culture, whether right or wrong, I've been called a poofta on more than one occasion, when it suited the person using the term. The only difference is, it didn't affect me in any way shape or form, as I said, mainly because I have heard it used so many times before.

When something is not going right or someone has come upon a problem it was called a, "poofta of a....." the same as you might use an expletive, Fred?

The same applies for the word "GAY" (Light Hearted, Lively, Merry, Cheerful, Bright, Showy, Sportive, Addicted to Pleasure) it was in use long before the people of the persuasion of non Heterosexual, coined it, to describe themselves.

Any one who lives South of the Queensland Border, is called a Mexican, it's a term of endearment, something you wouldn't understand Fred, as I said you have to live here to kow about such things, and seeing that you don't live here, you don't know what you're talking about anyway.

Castigated.....you've got to be joking.....precious little people running about in circles.....worry me...."not"......the same applies to "you" Fred.

"Smoke and Mirror's Fred, Smoke and Mirror's"....You think I'm not on your case Fred.....don't kid yourself, the world get's smaller by the day?

You must think all the others are as gullible as you, and the one's who voted for G.W.

Maybe you'll get a reaction from some of the Ozzie's you speak about, but they haven't come up here to sort me out, what does that say to you, Fred,

"Schoolyard Bully Tactic's", sticks and stones, Fred.

You must have too much time on your hands to go searching the post's for some ammunition.......it must be worrying you......?

As far as Les is concerned his secret is safe with me, I've got nothing to gain by letting the cat out of the bag either, so why do you persist with your futile attempts......it's beyond me....I'm "wake up" to you chum.

As I have also said before there are things I wouldn't even tell you Fred, I'm no kiss and tell Bike rider. Don't waste any more of your time Fred you're pissing into the wind, and you know what happens when you do that, your lible to get your own back, mate, it can get very smelly.

Have a good day Fred, I know I will, I live in Queensland and it a bloody fantastic place to live.

Goose Stepping, I'm sure you know how, you talk about it a lot........Latent Deutcher....bischtimpt?

KTWIM,ADLB,UITSWYDOTLC?TBC

limerickman

Brian - who is Les ?

Trekker2017

No problem... I think "imposing a society amenable to capitalistic enterprise" is a very good definition of what American Democracy stands for. However, don't under estimate the man. "a ruse to disguise his true aim of oil trade..." is far too shallow. He is not shallow. Think of him as a magician. By thinking of him as shallow you are looking at the hand that is meant to distract you.

Trekker2017

American history is a continum of imposing it's form of democracy on areas and locations outside of it's sovereign territory. In a recent essay in the American Quarterly (the scholarly magazine of the American Studies group), there is a new piece which has coined the term "geographic conflict" for this type of activity. (Their initial example of this on the North American Continent was the French imposing their rule on the Native Americans of Canada in the late 1600s. They could have easily have said the same thing of the Puritans in New England or the Spanish in the South.) What amazed me was that you could merely have substituted the words United States for France and Iraqis for Native Americans and the sense would have been the same. Note: American Studies professors are reticent to say "indians".

limerickman

I tend to think of him as a failed one trick pony, actually.

Trekker2017

Just out of curiosity: What would Bush have had to have done to have succeeded for you?

From where I sit, I see a man who is using his positon of power to extend American hegemony over people who were/and still are antagonistic to us. We have troops in Afganistan, Iraq and now we are threatening Iran and North Korea. If part of his agenda is to extend American power and grab oil rights for his cronies... he ain't doin' so bad. We've only just managed to slow him from grabbing some very pristine Alaskan lands for his oil buddies, but that won't last for long.

davidmc

I don't think you understood the thrust of my post. I meant that "W's" main aim was to secure access to oil. The other intents were secondary,tertiary, quanternary, ect... Remember, I don't endorse this guy, Bush-Cheney, whomever is making the calls. I didn't vote for him. I'm a 49%'er !!! Seems to me that you swallowed their rhetoric-hook,line & sinker. Your duplicity-naiveté concerns me.

__________________
I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

Trekker2017

Actually, I didn't vote for him either and I don't endorse what he's doing. I am merely looking at his actions from a particular angle, that of an American Exptionalist. What I see, is a continuous historical agenda first established by the Puritans who founded the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Their "ethic", what they stood for, and how they treated other peoples and religions has permiated American history to the present time. Bush is merely the latest in a long line of men in power who seems to be following this ethic to its natural conclusion, a conclusion which in the long run will spell the distruction of what we now know as "the American way of life", an event which I can forsee happening in the next quarter of a century.

American Exceptionalism is currently not in vogue with acedemia. There was a revisionist movement back in 1975 that moved American Studies away from exceptionalizm and into the study of culture and subculture in America. To me and a few others that's like studying the tree and forgetting that it makes up a forest.

As I said in a previous post, if you are looking at oil, he's got you looking away from the trick. This man is the front man for an agenda that is much more insidious and ingenious than that.

davidmc

If he wants to grab oil right's under false pretenses that's fine just don't commit the, abovementioned, crime under the guise of good-heartedness & w/ American taxpayer dollars. If they're weren't an ensuing bloodbath it might not be so odious. No, upon further reflection, it would still be odious. Illegal is illegal. The illegal act is referred to as "conflict of interest" & using "public" funds (taxpayer money) to pay for "private" endeavors.

__________________
I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

limerickman

Well there are two areas where I think Bush has failed in his Presidency.

1.The war on terrorism
2 The USA economy.

Instead of concentrating on capturing Al Qaeda, Bush instead launched an illegal war in Iraq.
Frankly, I think Bush realised quite early on that he could never beat Al Qaeda and to divert attention from this, he decided to launch a war in Iraq.

Let me be clear, I supported the war in Afghanistan - the Taliban were harbouring Al Qaeda and thus they had to be removed.
He also managed to disenfranchise everyone of his traditional allies in Europe and this disenfranchisement is being reaped as we speak.
Time is running out in Iraq and if the US doesn't play it right, what has gone since March 19th 2003, will seem to be a cakewalk.

As regards the US economy, i think that Bush has created structural problems
in the US economy.
The growing US beudget deficit, the growing trade deficit, the loss of confidence in the US dollar, are all symptomatic of a President who has been
at best incompetent.
The US has actually lost jobs since Bush took office.
The US economy imports far more than it exports.
US manufacturing is slowly being whittled away by foreign competition.
The growing budget deficit - and remember the US still has to fund the Iraq war and make reparations to Iraq - will result in a massive tax liability for US taxpayers.

davidmc

First things first. This country "runs" on oil. Iraq has a considerable amt. of the stuff. Our economy has been, how shall i say, "in the doldrums" for a legitamite reason. Now, what have former presidents(r) done in the past to stimulate the economy or remove suspision from one of their other act's? Start a war. Only this time, this war has turned out to be more than Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz bargained for. Over 1400 dead & no guarantee that those people are not going to elect a theocracy. I wish the best for them but, this was/is a war of choice. Iraq was not an imminent threat. This has been proven beyond a doubt. Now that the WMD assertions have been shown to be utterly false, they are touting the aim of nation-building. Give me a break . Since when has a Republican been known to have a big heart except when it comes to Jesus & beleive you me, these people aren't going to be erecting any baptist churches any time soon.

__________________
I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

davidmc

My apologies for insinuating that maybe you had. In the long term, stability in the mid-east is desirable but Iraq hasn't played out yet & Don't forget that the WMD assertion, by the bush admin., has turned out to be nothing more than a chimera

__________________
I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

Trekker2017

The war on terrorism is one of those smoke and mirrors I was talking about. There is no war on terrorism. Terrorists are not interested in taking over America. They are interested in establishing a power base in their own countries to become players there. Their attack on America was merely an attention getting device which was used by the current administration to further its own agenda. They played into Bush's hands. A Clinton would have thrown some tomahawks in their direction (like he did before) and that would have been the end of it and the "terrorists" would have strengthened their power base. Bush, on the other hand, used the threat of WMD to invade and further his agenda's aims.

As for the American economy, remember the industrial revolution. Well, this is the industrial de-evolution. American is turning into a service economy. As such, it's immaterial who manufactures the vaccums that our cleaning ladies use. And since we are entering a new economic service paradigm, its impossible to draw conclusions about the American economy based on the old manufacturing one. (My personal feelings.) As Deep Throat said in ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN... "follow the money". Who has the money in America today? What do they do for a living? I think if you concentrate on just those two topics you'll see that manufacturing plays almost no part in the equation.