POLL: Condi Rice is ...

Originally Posted by Ssushi

IN the voice of Ali G: Is it 'cos I is black?

Originally Posted by davidmc

She is one of the original signatories of Bush's "Loyalty Oath" PNAC certified- thru & thru

Originally Posted by Weisse Luft

False analogy. For you analogy to be correct, the US would have had to been waging war against Mexico for 10 years, using nerve gas and blister agents. After that stalemate, an invasion of Canada for nationalization of thier oil and mineral wealth would have followed. After defeat of this fictious Imperial United States, there would be 10 years of imposed but ill enforced economic sanctions and a push for offensive disarmament.

Add in insurrection by Wyoming, Montana and Idaho and by Texas, Louisana and New Mexico where federal forces were called in to squash these dissenters.

Originally Posted by Stiff Upper Lip

OK so I'm trolling, but hey this is big news....Our new Secretary of State is an expert on Russia who also happens to be born again. She likes strong coffee, sunset, and walks on the beach with her favourite man: George. Her loyalty and strong sense of self-preservation has been richly rewarded with a key position...look out Kissinger...here comes CONDI....!

Originally Posted by davidmc

She is one of the original signatories of Bush's "Loyalty Oath" PNAC certified- thru & thru

Originally Posted by FredC

The word certified has different connutations, but after listening to her drivel today about Iraq I wondered why Bush didn't spout the same nonentities, sounded very much the same to me, apart from the fact that he his helping it along by letting her put her foot in it, while it gives him time to get his out.
Hey listen Condi some more of that Bark stuff on the piani, we ain't quite got a Handle just yet. Who's that Prokoviev? put him the terrists list.

Originally Posted by Carrera

I came across a writer by the name of Adrian Goldsworthy who made 2 interesting observations. These particular points he makes led me to conclude that Condoleeza Rice is basically an educated spokeswoman for an old line of thinking that was abandoned by Europeans after the second world war.
This is fairly simple to understand.
Goldsworthy points out that (prior to the European world wars), there were many scholars or doctors such as Miss Rice who advocated imperialism and the spread of Christianity. Of course, Miss Rice also happens to be a bible scholar as well as a linguist. But here is what Goldsworthy says about this particular ideology:
"These scholars were produced by a society which believed that the rule of "civilized peoples" of the world over the "uncivilized" was beneficial .......the great empires were an improving force, spreading education, the rule of law and Christianity."
I put some of these terms in quotations as I question the whole idea that Iraq is basically "uncivilized" and the West "civilized".
Anyhow, this is basically what Condoleeza Rice and the neo-conservatives advocate, together with the idea that Christianity and imperialism go hand in hand.
Now here is what Goldsworthy has to say about post world war 2 European scholars:
"The rapid demise of the European empires following the second world war led to an almost equally rapid condemnation of all that they had stood for, an unquestioning assumption that empires were, by their very nature, wrong. These scholars emphasised the greed and brutality of the imperial powers."
I think most people can follow this argument O.K. It also sums up where the rift between Europe and the U.S. actually lies.
The Bush Administration has basically adopted the old European philosophy of imperialism and has likewise recruited biblical/theological scholars who are capable of making a solid intellectual argument for the specific idea of American Imperialism. With regard to the Middle East it involves invading Iraq, Iran and Syria and attempting to impose the ideas of Christianity and democracy on the native peoples. This is what Miss Rice advocates and why she is currently so popular.
However, Europe is no longer imperialistic so that European scholars reject the whole ideology they themselves advocated in the past (especially France and probably Britain). I think this is essentially where we're at, at this given moment. I didn't really see it that way till I started reading Goldworthy's take on the history of imperialism and his idea that scholars attempted to justify it. The whole idea of recruiting Condoleeza was to try and convince the world that this is the correct approach to the Middle East.

Originally Posted by maddox300

You left out a poll option,
•An smart uptight rich girl who's sexually frustrated, sublimates it by being a wonky pol, and rebels by being a member of the party that Willie Hortoned W's daddy into the White House.

Originally Posted by Trekker2017

You've hit the nail square on the head... the only thing is that you've failed to recognize the truth behind what you have written.

On the other hand, over 50% of those of us here in the United States have come to realize that a world without American hegemony is simply not acceptable. When that small group of Puritans originally came across the pond to establish themselves, they came with the idea of developing the "City on the Hill" which they were fully intending on taking back to the "Old Country" in order to show them the error of their ways and to correct (read the description of how Gideon 'corrected' those who disagreed with him in the Bible for the true meaning of that word) all those who did not believe as they did. Their main reason for not returing was Cromwell's continued compromises with other religious groups.

Now, it may have taken several centuries, but we have finally developed the hegemonic value system that we feel needs to be exported to the rest of the world. And just like a dog first put on a choke collar, we know that you will balk at first until you come to realize that it is better for you to heel than to struggle and strangle.

Originally Posted by Saucy

Dear Condi,

Reading a Memo/Brief - Lesson One

When the title of the memo/brief says "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S", well that means that Bin Laden is determined to strike in the U.S. You may want to do something about this kind of memo since you are the National Security Advisor.

Failure to follow Lesson One means you are a dumbass. End lesson.

I didn't know she was "born again". It all makes sense now.

Originally Posted by FredC

How about a woman who has given up HRT, has permanent PMT, and his slap bang in the menopause area. Not a good scenario for making logical decisions. Mind you, Bush is similar.

Originally Posted by Trekker2017

You've hit the nail square on the head... the only thing is that you've failed to recognize the truth behind what you have written.

On the other hand, over 50% of those of us here in the United States have come to realize that a world without American hegemony is simply not acceptable. When that small group of Puritans originally came across the pond to establish themselves, they came with the idea of developing the "City on the Hill" which they were fully intending on taking back to the "Old Country" in order to show them the error of their ways and to correct (read the description of how Gideon 'corrected' those who disagreed with him in the Bible for the true meaning of that word) all those who did not believe as they did. Their main reason for not returing was Cromwell's continued compromises with other religious groups.

Now, it may have taken several centuries, but we have finally developed the hegemonic value system that we feel needs to be exported to the rest of the world. And just like a dog first put on a choke collar, we know that you will balk at first until you come to realize that it is better for you to heel than to struggle and strangle.

Originally Posted by limerickman

Indeed.
And so said the other 67 empires, that have existed thoroughout history.
Go back to Jerusalem, and blow the same tune out your shofar.