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Old 04-12.-2004, 02:46 AM   #166
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sorry redneck, you are doomed,you will never make it.. the winners never stop training / riding, you have not got the motivation to win, weight training, a load of crap, you need to get in 6ooo miles, then you can think about REAL training ON the bloody bike,,,, bon courage.

Re your piece about rim cement on the other site. I don't remember tubs rolling off because of the rain, and it did nothing but piss down in the Pennines, In fact I had more trouble getting them off, not sticking them on. I used Dunlop cement, or made my own. Shellac for the track? Maybe there's not enough rosin in the glue. Interesting subject 'cos your life depends on it.
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Old 05-12.-2004, 04:23 AM   #167
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Hi Fred C and others – thought you might like this story against myself.

I’m staring my 71st birthday in the face, and have been off the bike for some time, although I was still a 300 + miles a week man in my late 50s.

My wife has Parkinson’s and an associated nasty, so looking after her I’ve let my own health go a bit. Recently I had a fright – high cholesterol, and a BP of 220/115, so drastic measures were needed – diuretics, cholesterol-zapping drugs, and light exercise.

For me, walking round the block destroys brain-cells, so as I’d been competent on the rollers, a week or so back I set mine up beside the freezer, pumped up the Neo-pros on my cobweb-covered "best"" bike, and set about doing a few revs.

After about half an hour I needed a pee, so coasted to a stop, and dismounted – kerrash!! - into a ruddy great heap among the paint tins, with my head in my paste-bucket.

As it’s about eight years since I’d ridden on rollers, I’d forgotten that I was about 8" higher off the ground than usual, also that I used to set them up with their left side to the freezer, to allow me to lean on it as I got off.. (- to the left - in England we use the left-hand side of the road, like the Romans did - it keeps our sword-arms free.)

Instead, I’d set them up with their right-hand side against the freezer, meaning that I dismounted into empty air – painful!

While I agree with Fred C that the rollers are a more realistic ride, I think I’m more likely to live to 72 if I forget the rollers and buy a turbo-trainer – anybody recommend something uncomplicated for an old fart whose cadence might still be 86-88 r.p.m. - on 6¾" cranks?

John Knees,

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Old 05-12.-2004, 05:35 AM   #168
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well what do you know, its pissed it down here today, not just rain but freezing to boot, how do i know, well its like this, there is a road which goes from spain to france, its over the alberes, its called the drug run road down here, you climb out of boulou (home) (dry and sunny) 28 kms then you get to this unmade road which is 3 kms long, you cross the border and decend back another 22 kms, well whats that got to do with it. well its like this, i had a sodding puncture, and it started to piss it down at the same time, i was 1000mtr up in the air and it was too cold to take the tyre off, so i rode on the flat (rear ) to a small tree which was just standing there, by this time it was sleeting so i decided to carry on, then bang the front tyre blew up, it was so cold i could not get either one or the other tyre off, so what did i do, i rode 22kms on FLAT TYRES.. i got home frozen /wet through and a bit upset, BUT i thuoght, not bad, 90kms in, in the rain/sleet/rain, 22 ks on flats, but what the hell I GOT OUT ON THE BIKE.. redneck, eat your heart out.

the young kid who was asking about gearing, forget it man, bang on 88 fixed, and when you can beat alf engers 25 mile TT record of 55.11, fastest time on fixed before charlie mcoy did it on gears (54.37? , melling wheelers ) then start on gears, until then just get some miles in , at least 15 hours per week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!will do nicely..

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Old 05-12.-2004, 05:38 AM   #169
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Hi Fred C and others – thought you might like this story against myself.

I’m staring my 71st birthday in the face, and have been off the bike for some time, although I was still a 300 + miles a week man in my late 50s.

My wife has Parkinson’s and an associated nasty, so looking after her I’ve let my own health go a bit. Recently I had a fright – high cholesterol, and a BP of 220/115, so drastic measures were needed – diuretics, cholesterol-zapping drugs, and light exercise.

For me, walking round the block destroys brain-cells, so as I’d been competent on the rollers, a week or so back I set mine up beside the freezer, pumped up the Neo-pros on my cobweb-covered "best"" bike, and set about doing a few revs.

After about half an hour I needed a pee, so coasted to a stop, and dismounted – kerrash!! - into a ruddy great heap among the paint tins, with my head in my paste-bucket.

As it’s about eight years since I’d ridden on rollers, I’d forgotten that I was about 8" higher off the ground than usual, also that I used to set them up with their left side to the freezer, to allow me to lean on it as I got off.. (- to the left - in England we use the left-hand side of the road, like the Romans did - it keeps our sword-arms free.)

Instead, I’d set them up with their right-hand side against the freezer, meaning that I dismounted into empty air – painful!

While I agree with Fred C that the rollers are a more realistic ride, I think I’m more likely to live to 72 if I forget the rollers and buy a turbo-trainer – anybody recommend something uncomplicated for an old fart whose cadence might still be 86-88 r.p.m. - on 6¾" cranks?

John Knees,

Worthing, Sussex.

yes ride the bloody bike on the road, rollers are for housewives and do gooders bon courage.
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Hi Fred C and others – thought you might like this story against myself.
I’m staring my 71st birthday in the face, and have been off the bike for some time, although I was still a 300 + miles a week man in my late 50s.
My wife has Parkinson’s and an associated nasty, so looking after her I’ve let my own health go a bit. Recently I had a fright – high cholesterol, and a BP of 220/115, so drastic measures were needed – diuretics, cholesterol-zapping drugs, and light exercise.
For me, walking round the block destroys brain-cells, so as I’d been competent on the rollers, a week or so back I set mine up beside the freezer, pumped up the Neo-pros on my cobweb-covered "best"" bike, and set about doing a few revs.
After about half an hour I needed a pee, so coasted to a stop, and dismounted – kerrash!! - into a ruddy great heap among the paint tins, with my head in my paste-bucket.
As it’s about eight years since I’d ridden on rollers, I’d forgotten that I was about 8" higher off the ground than usual, also that I used to set them up with their left side to the freezer, to allow me to lean on it as I got off.. (- to the left - in England we use the left-hand side of the road, like the Romans did - it keeps our sword-arms free.)
Instead, I’d set them up with their right-hand side against the freezer, meaning that I dismounted into empty air – painful!
While I agree with Fred C that the rollers are a more realistic ride, I think I’m more likely to live to 72 if I forget the rollers and buy a turbo-trainer – anybody recommend something uncomplicated for an old fart whose cadence might still be 86-88 r.p.m. - on 6¾" cranks?
John Knees,

Worthing, Sussex.

John. Sorry to hear about your brush with the paint tins. Main thing is that you haven't broken anything. That BP looks high, what is your height and weight? also what is your cholesterol reading? no doubt the Zappers are called 'statins'. I am not sure why you are on diuretics, unless you are very much overweight, and in that case you should have potassium tablets to keep the ionic fluid balance in sync. Let me know these things.
Don't bother buying a turbo, just saw the end bit off a pallet and stick it next to the rollers on your cocking off side.
I'll sort you out. You're not ready for the bone orchard yet. Anyway, I'm having 15" long cod fillet from the chippy. I'll let you know when you can have one. Our young Phil looks like he's made out of the right stuff. Did you see Southall? Your wife needs you, so keep off the floor.
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Re your piece about rim cement on the other site. I don't remember tubs rolling off because of the rain, and it did nothing but piss down in the Pennines, In fact I had more trouble getting them off, not sticking them on. I used Dunlop cement, or made my own. Shellac for the track? Maybe there's not enough rosin in the glue. Interesting subject 'cos your life depends on it.

hi there just une blague re tubs rolling off,, by the way, i still think thats sprints and tubs blow "clinchers" into the wind. i hate that stupid USA word, why do us british have to put up with it, its a wired on, or high pressure... i remember back in the not too distant past, the comic got rid of REAL bikeriders on it editorial, and employed a whole load of NERDS, they ponced about DRAFTING with each other, giving out poncified reports on racing bikes, yet unable to beat evens in a 10 tt, the point is they all came in with those stupid NEW USA words,, as thuogh usa knew owt about bike racing, oh hell HOW did they win all those big tours, bon courage..
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yes ride the bloody bike on the road, rollers are for housewives and do gooders bon courage.

Come on, he's 71, and was still banging in 300 a week at your age. What's wrong with that? I'm trying to help him and you're trying to kill him. It's people like John who kept clubruns going so that we could become better in our infrastructure of progression through the ranks. We learn't the basics from them.
Look at the trash from America. $6000 bike. No history, no idea, no magic formula, so no clublife. Can you think any Stagieres?
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Come on, he's 71, and was still banging in 300 a week at your age. What's wrong with that? I'm trying to help him and you're trying to kill him. It's people like John who kept clubruns going so that we could become better in our infrastructure of progression through the ranks. We learn't the basics from them.
Look at the trash from America. $6000 bike. No history, no idea, no magic formula, so no clublife. Can you think any Stagieres?

hey he falls of in the garage, he's better of riding on the road. he can fall of in the gutter. bon courage.. must go now, its my night training session, 1000 press ups bon courage.
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To Fred C.,

Thanks for that - much more helpful than the haughty "advice" of another posting, whose writer appeared to have missed my mention of the lifestyle restrictions I'm stuck with and the fact that I have actually ridden on the road. I'd love to get out on the lanes around Steyning again, but you have to play the hand life deals you.

B.P.'s much better now, and you're right the other drugs are statins. I can't remember the cholesterol reading - anyway with my quack it's always too high! Regardless, the sooner I can ditch all of that chemical garbage the better, so off to rasher the end off a pallet!

Back to the roller topic, when I was with the Chichester and District C.C. between 1949-52, one member was an ex-Italian prisoner of war name of Freddie Balloni. He'd elected to stay in Britain, where he was working on a farm. Although he had the build of a sprinter, he was a superb roadman, and absolutely amazing on the rollers.

Freddy could ride "Harry Flatters" for 10-15 minutes on 81" fixed, a big puddle of sweat on the floor, his back wheel dancing from side to side on the rear rollers, yet always he stayed on.

Finally, no, haven't been up to see Les Southall yet. I'm itching to meet him, but I've had filthy colds for three solid weeks now, (what a ruddy wreck!!) and no way do I want to take him that sort of present.

Thanks again,

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Are there any sites that offer traning porgrams or tips ( On Turbo)


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No......no.....no.... Listen to us. How many champs have you heard of, who dedicates his success to a turbo trainer? Now get out on the Clubrun tomorrow morning. Jesus, you're English. Get on with it man. You're not one of the American girly boys.
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Hi Fred - I lied!

It was 280 miles per week of hilly, going to and from work on the back roads, 40-50 on Saturday including a "training doughnut" and coffee at Mike Perry's bike shop in Bognor, plus 60 or so on Sunday morning so that I didn't get withdrawal symptoms.

Makes me tired thinking about it!

Mind you I could never have managed 1,000 press-ups - even Yatesy only used to do 400. I'm impressed.

Maleesh!

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Ok Then, How many hours/miles should i be aiming to do in the week, and what sort of traning should I incorporate into it?
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To Fred C.,

Thanks for that - much more helpful than the haughty "advice" of another posting, whose writer appeared to have had missed my mention of the lifestyle restrictions I'm stuck with and the fact that I have actually ridden on the road. I'd love to get out on the lanes around Steyning again, but you have to play the hand life deals you.
B.P.'s much better now, and you're right the other drugs are statins. I can't remember the cholesterol reading - anyway with my quack it's always too high! Regardless, the sooner I can ditch all of that chemical garbage the better, so off to rasher the end off a pallet!
Back to the roller topic, when I was with the Chichester and District C.C. between 1949-52, one member was an ex-Italian prisoner of war name of Freddie Balloni. He'd elected to stay in Britain, where he was working on a farm. Although he had the build of a sprinter, he was a superb roadman, and absolutely amazing on the rollers.
Freddy could ride "Harry Flatters" for 10-15 minutes on 81" fixed, a big puddle of sweat on the floor, his back wheel dancing from side to side on the rear rollers, yet always he stayed on.
Finally, no, haven't been up to see Les Southall yet. I'm itching to meet him, but I've had filthy colds for three solid weeks now, (what a ruddy wreck!!) and no way do I want to take him that sort of present.

Thanks again,

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John, BRF is winding up. He's taking the piss out the Murkians. You haven't any questions with numbers, this is where I give up on people. If you are so concerned you should be interested in the facts for your life. Remember that GP's deal with patients that have never moved faster than queue to get to the front of the cash dispenser.
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Hi Fred - I lied!

It was 280 miles per week of hilly, going to and from work on the back roads, 40-50 on Saturday including a "training doughnut" and coffee at Mike Perry's bike shop in Bognor, plus 60 or so on Sunday morning so that I didn't get withdrawal symptoms.

Makes me tired thinking about it!

Mind you I could never have managed 1,000 press-ups - even Yatesy only used to do 400. I'm impressed.

Maleesh!

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Knees - I go with Fred on this one : you need to be in the fullness of health,
not only for your own sake but also for "her indoors" as well.

Light exercise on the indoor trainer to start with : if your BP is that high do the usual stuff : no salt at all on food, eat plenty of oranges/vegetables (anything that grows in the ground - except onions) which contain potassium which will reduce BP.
As regards medication - I'll leave that to your doctor.
You've got that base fitness there (300 miles per week in to your late 50's is
superb going) - that fitness base will kick in as soon as you get in to the routine.

I suggest to stay with the rollers.
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