2004 Election : what now ?

limerickman

The fact of the matter is that the Black Watch would not have been re-deployed had it not been due to a request from the USA.

Geoff Hoon and Adam Ingram (British goverment ministers in the Ministry of Defence) told the House of Commons that the Black Watch were being re-deployed following a US request.

It's immaterial whether they are replacing other forces - the point is that the
Bliar is paying the blood price.

A brother of one of the men killed said today "The Black Wactch shouldn't even be in Iraq - what are they there for ?".
Mr.Lane's brother is one of the three soldiers killed yesterday.

limerickman

So I hate the British, do I ?

You haven't got a clue.
My relatives are British - my maternal grandmother's British.

You're a fucking clown - iknownothing.

British army are indeed a professional army - and very good they are too.
Unlike your lot - shooting each other in the back.

mjw_byrne

No I didn't.

And where I made statements about people, they were fully justified (look up "aggressive" and "hateful" in a dictionary). Your statements about me, on the other hand, are not justified. You have thrown insults; I have not. BTW, you attacked me to "let me see what it feels like"? Get over yourself. Try actually contributing something of value to the thread.

To get back on topic: I don't think it's useful to talk about one country "owing" something to another. Countries are not like people, where one can owe a (moral) debt to another for a past action, because the people who make up a country die off and are replaced by future generations who had no hand in their predecessors' actions. If we held countries responsible for their past actions we would still be giving Germany a hard time for the wars - but it's pointless to do so because the Germans who comprise Germany today are as anti-Nazi as everyone else (except perhaps for the handful of extremists which can be found in any country).

Moreover, even if Europe is perceived to owe a debt to America for America's help in WW2 (yes, you would have to be a fool to deny that the US got us all out of a nasty hole back then), America can't keep cashing that in indefinitely. There are plenty of Americans who say, "you'd be speaking German now if not for us"; now that the UK has gone out on a limb and risked being ostracised by supporting the US in Iraq, will they consider the debt lightened, or even paid off completely?

mjw_byrne

Male. BTW since this is nothing to do with the thread, a PM would be more appropriate.

jhuskey

[QUOTE=mjw_byrne]No I didn't.

And where I made statements about people, they were fully justified (look up "aggressive" and "hateful" in a dictionary). Your statements about me, on the other hand, are not justified. You have thrown insults; I have not. BTW, you attacked me to "let me see what it feels like"? Get over yourself. Try actually contributing something of value to the thread.


You asked why people were that way, I agreed, they are that way, and I tried to show you literally but somehow you still missed my point.
I am not on myself,don't ask and it will not be answered. My insults were to show you what was happening in these aggressive threads.

This thread is useless anyway, everyone is full of hate and completely polarizes,well most anyway.
Look up understanding in the dictionary.

And my dear young friend ,you are the one with the super ego. Live a few more years and you will come to realize knowledge is great but all is not found in a book.
On that, I am done here.

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Carrera

Yes, I agree totally. The modern Japanese are a good example. They committed atrocities during the second world war, yet if you go to Japan today you'll find the politest, most peaceful people in Asia. Or close to it.
Former U.S. presidents probably saved Berlin and even France from Soviet occupation due to the shrewd strategy of rebuilding west Berlin's economy and looking forward to the long term. I think those presidents wouldn't think much of present U.S. policy in the Middle East.
And imagine what would have happened if Bush had taken the lead during the Cuban Missile Crisis and not the Kennedies. Hardliners on the Soviet and U.S. side were both pushing their presidents Krushchev and Kennedy to initiate missile strikes. The Soviet field commanders in Cuba had orders to fire ballistic nuclear missiles should the U.S. have hit the incoming naval vessels during the blockade. But both Krushchev and Kennedy, as it turned out, were rational people and both managed to hold their hardliners back from the brink.

mjw_byrne

Yes, I have reached puberty. I am a bit effeminate in some ways, now that you mention it - I always find a balance to be preferable to one extreme or the other. But in case you worry that you might be speaking to a homosexual (your postings suggest this might bother you), I am in fact hetero. But you have me at a bit of a loss; how would me being effeminate "explain my postings"?

Bikerman2004

What is immaterial is whether they were ordered or not. What is material is whether, according to your original argument, they are bailing out US troops.
You incorrectly assumed they were bailing out the "incompetent" US soldiers. When in fact the are replacing US soldiers going to Fallujah.

Ssushi

Maybe we can keep reminding the US that they 'owe' us now for bailing them out...

or will we remain quiet and gentlemanly about it - the latter i think...