Cyclist died after crash with walker

RJ Webb

On 29 Oct 2004 22:09:19 GMT, Mark Thompson
<pleasegivegenerously@warmmail.com> wrote:

>> Surely the "walker" could have stepped back or stopped .
>> It is "easier" to change velocity whilst walking than it is cycling.
>
>I'm guessing the walker did, which was why the cyclist hit. The report
>said the cyclist swerved, and I presume the ped unfortunately moved the
>same way.

That was what happened when I hit a ped. I was soundly beaten for it.
The ped was a knuckledragger on its way to work at a dodgy nightclub.

I do pick em...

Richard Webb

Duncan Gray

To summarise:

The cyclist was travelling too fast to be able to stop striking someone who
walked out into the road unexpectedly. That doesn't necessarily mean his
speed was reckless.

The pedestrian didn't check well enough that the road was clear before
stepping out, probably relying too much on his hearing rather than sight.
Hands up anyone who's never done that.

Having heard all the evidence, coroner Dr Matthew Orde said
"I am drawn by the evidence to conclude this was simply a very sad
accident. "
which sounds like a fair conclusion to me.

iarocu

"Brian Drury" <briandotdruryatdsldotpipexdotcom> wrote in message news:<41827f3f$0$1821$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>...
> He said: "I was concerned because the pedestrian didn't seem to look
> where he was going.
>
> "I felt something was going to happen because he walked out at such a
> quick pace.
>

I frequently see pedestrians stepping onto the road without checking
properly for traffic.
Would this cyclist still be alive an Air Zound horn had been
fitted and used? Would he still be alive if he had been riding a
recumbent? I'm not a darksider but I presume that on a 'bent would be
less likelyhood of being thrown over the bars. Would either of these
be better protection than a plastic hat?
Iain

Andy Dingley

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:00:52 +0100, Zog The Undeniable
<hrothgar19@yahoo.com> wrote:

>You can't allow for people suddenly appearing out of the bushes,

You do if you ride along past Clifton Downs late at night

Two of them. Only one pair of trousers. Laughed so much I damn near
fell off.

Andy Dingley

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:58:02 GMT, Julesh
<canned_lunchmeat@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Caused by a stupid numpty walking into the road without looking!

Unless we assume the total cluelessness of the coroner, then a
decision made in court, with all the evidence in front of it, has to
carry just a little more weight than newspaper-based Usenet ramblings.

Sometimes shit does just happen.

Paul - xxx

Duncan Gray vaguely muttered something like ...
> To summarise:
>
> The cyclist was travelling too fast to be able to stop striking someone
> who walked out into the road unexpectedly. That doesn't necessarily mean
> his speed was reckless.

I wasn't suggesting it was ...

> Having heard all the evidence, coroner Dr Matthew Orde said
> "I am drawn by the evidence to conclude this was simply a very sad
> accident. "
> which sounds like a fair conclusion to me.

Yup.

--
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"A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using."

Danny Colyer

iarocu wrote:
> Would this cyclist still be alive an Air Zound horn had been
> fitted and used?

It *may* have made a difference if the horn was fitted in such a way
that the cyclist could brake, swerve and sound the horn all at the same
time (as they are on my bikes). Otherwise, I suspect he wouldn't have
had time to sound the horn.

> Would he still be alive if he had been riding a
> recumbent?

Without having seen the incident, it's impossible to say.

> I'm not a darksider but I presume that on a 'bent would be
> less likelyhood of being thrown over the bars.

Absolutely. The article mentions severe head injuries, with the
implication that the head injuries were the cause of death. I would
imagine that the head injuries were a result of landing head first after
flying over the handlebar, something that wouldn't have happened had he
been riding a bent. I would expect that the cyclist would have escaped
with no more than a few scrapes or bruises if he had been riding a bent.
The numpty ped may well have suffered severe leg injuries, but he
might not have suffered a fractured sternum.

> Would either of these
> be better protection than a plastic hat?

Yes, IMHO.

--
Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
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davek

Paul - xxx wrote:
> Maybe the cyclist was also travelling too fast for him to stop in distance
> he could see to be clear ...

It sounds very much like the distance he could see to be clear was
suddenly curtailed by a fatal margin.

Nothing much he could have done about that short of staying at home on
his turbo trainer, or cycling at sub-walking speeds.

d.

Just zis Guy, you know?

On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:55:26 +0100, Andy Dingley
<dingbat@codesmiths.com> wrote in message
<p8e7o01hiuac5bjioj0vbu86qhmbce9l62@4ax.com>:

>Unless we assume the total cluelessness of the coroner, then a
>decision made in court, with all the evidence in front of it, has to
>carry just a little more weight than newspaper-based Usenet ramblings.

Assuming total cluelessness of the coroner is supportable. They have
a reputation for being even worse than magistrates at handing down
gratuitously cager-friendly opinions.

Guy
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Peter B

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <uce@ftc.gov> wrote in message
news:j208o0lt94egno9mgjm2ucl29rin9i2vke@4ax.com...
> Assuming total cluelessness of the coroner is supportable. They have
> a reputation for being even worse than magistrates at handing down
> gratuitously cager-friendly opinions.

Some years ago an old lady died after being hit by a motorcycle while
crossing our suburban road in darkness.
The coroner blamed the poor street lighting.

Pete

Velvet

Personally, having had pedestrians leap out in front of both me+bike and
me+car, I'd like to see more emphasis placed on pedestrians being
educated to *look* *properly*.

In the car instance, I've had both ped *and* kidonnabike do it.
Kidonnabike *very* nearly got plastered on the front of my car, so close
was he when he decided that riding off the pavement and straight out
between two closely parked cars was a good thing. He was laughing, and
given he'd been stationary on the pavement as I'd approached, I can only
assume it was deliberate.

In the bike instance, daft bint walking along the pavement suddenly
stepped out without looking on a diagonal to get to the school some way
further up. On my part, sharp application of brakes (see, they *do*
work *grin*) and then loud ringing of my bell coupled with 'would you
step out without looking in front of a car too?' gave her the fright of
her life.

Having said that, I know mixing bikes and pedestrian areas is something
fraught with these hazards - I've been a rabbit in the sights of a
cyclist myself, and it's hard to pick a direction and stick with it when
there's a person+metal thing bearing down on you - all too easy to get
stuck in the wavering, especially when the cyclist seems to be following
the waverings and aiming straight for you no matter what!

--


Velvet

David Hansen

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:06:31 GMT someone who may be Velvet
<velvet@not.a.valid.domain> wrote this:-

>Having said that, I know mixing bikes and pedestrian areas is something
>fraught with these hazards

The road research laboratory, which now laughably calls itself the
transport research laboratory, has studied cycling in "pedestrian
areas". The conclusions are clear, there is very little problem with
this.


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Mark Thompson

> I'd like to see more emphasis placed on pedestrians being
> educated to *look* *properly*.

Every single child in the country is taught it in school. It's lack of
brain rather than education that lets 'em down.

Simon Proven

David Hansen wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:06:31 GMT someone who may be Velvet
> <velvet@not.a.valid.domain> wrote this:-
>
>
>>Having said that, I know mixing bikes and pedestrian areas is something
>>fraught with these hazards
>
>
> The road research laboratory, which now laughably calls itself the
> transport research laboratory, has studied cycling in "pedestrian
> areas". The conclusions are clear, there is very little problem with
> this.
>
>

Have you ever been to Cambridge? The pedestrians in the
"pedestrianised" areas (those that still permit cycling) are pretty
clueless.

--
Simon