George Bush-Your opinion

Originally Posted by davidmc

George bush-your opinion
This pole was placed to counter the mindless pole at the other end of the spectrum

Originally Posted by ryan_velo

he is a simple minded moronic, greedy prick who was to dumb to be into harvard but his dady's money got him in any way. is dad also got him out of nam. we have lost 3 million jobs. he got us into a shit hole of a mess war so he could get more money and oil. Every thing he stands for is so wrong, and I hope, hope, hope, that we can get some one halfway decent in office when the election is over. what more can I say?

Originally Posted by ryan_velo

I want to know why you conservatives are not makeing an arguement about how good bush is? Is it because you cant think of any good points to make?

Originally Posted by limerickman

Bush is neither a moron or an idiot.
Far from it, in fact.
While Bush isn't particularly bright, he is savvy and he knows how to play the game.
His has bought wholeheartedly in to a political idea which many of us find inexplicable.

However, a very high proportion of the American people chose to believe in
Bush's policies and ideas.
For me this is the most frightening issue : the way in which people allow themselves to buy in to Bush's ideology.
Despite the fact that he has proven to have made incorrect decisions about the US economy and Iraq, that high proportion of the people in the USA may well re-elect Bush even given his abysmal record.

From a European-Irish perspective, Nov 2nd is crucial.
If the people of America endorse Bush's last four years, Europe will have to make a choice and go it's own way.
Europe has not worked with the USA since March 2003 and I think that this policy will continue until 2008 if Bush is re-elected.

I don't not believe that Bush's policies are in the best interest of US citizens but if the people of America endorse him, we have to accept this.
As time goes by though, who occupies the White House impacts more and more abroad and Europe will need to go it's own way.
Naturally, I'd prefer Europe and the USA work together but Europe cannot
work a President hell bent on acting unilaterally.

Originally Posted by limerickman

I forgot to add : it is, of course, in George Bush's interest to have Mullah Omar,
BinLaden and Al Zarqawi at large (not captured).
Bush's "raison d'etre" is the war on terrorism" as outlined in the PNAC.
It is not in Bush's interest to see them captured or killed.

Originally Posted by Bikerman2004

This is one of the best thought out posts I've seen in awhile. None of the ideological crap. Just telling it like Lim sees it. The American people will vote for whom they think is best for them, not what the rest of the world thinks is best for it.

Originally Posted by limerickman

I think that you miss my central point.
I am astounded that the majority of Americans support Bush.
Given his record, it is inexplicable in my opinion.
That's what worries me.
That Bush reflects what the majority of the USA in thinking.

Of course the people of the USA are at liberty to chose their President.
But to do so in the full knowledge of 2000-2004, confounds me.

Regardless, the rest of the world will have to chose if he is re-elected.

Originally Posted by Bikerman2004

I doubt many Americans will base their vote on who Europeans, Asians, Africans want as the US president. Nor should they base their vote on that. Whoever is elected will be president of the US. Their first and foremost priority should be what is best for the US not the world.

Originally Posted by limerickman

Bush is neither a moron or an idiot.
Far from it, in fact.
While Bush isn't particularly bright, he is savvy and he knows how to play the game.
His has bought wholeheartedly in to a political idea which many of us find inexplicable.

However, a very high proportion of the American people chose to believe in
Bush's policies and ideas.
For me this is the most frightening issue : the way in which people allow themselves to buy in to Bush's ideology.
Despite the fact that he has proven to have made incorrect decisions about the US economy and Iraq, that high proportion of the people in the USA may well re-elect Bush even given his abysmal record.

From a European-Irish perspective, Nov 2nd is crucial.
If the people of America endorse Bush's last four years, Europe will have to make a choice and go it's own way.
Europe has not worked with the USA since March 2003 and I think that this policy will continue until 2008 if Bush is re-elected.

I don't not believe that Bush's policies are in the best interest of US citizens but if the people of America endorse him, we have to accept this.
As time goes by though, who occupies the White House impacts more and more abroad and Europe will need to go it's own way.
Naturally, I'd prefer Europe and the USA work together but Europe cannot
work a President hell bent on acting unilaterally.

Originally Posted by limerickman

I have never suggested otherwise.
I have never suggested that non-Americans ought to have a veto.
Of course, it's up to the American people to make their choice.

But let's be clear - if Bush is re-elected, it is logical to assume that most American people endorse ALL of his policies.
Therefore the choice is clear for the rest of the world, do we align ourselves with the USA/Bush or do we sit back and watch.
Europe has decided since March 2003 to sit back and watch.
I believe that this is the correct decision.

If the USA wishes to act unilaterally - it cannot expect support and thus it receives no support.

Originally Posted by limerickman

I think that you miss my central point.
I am astounded that the majority of Americans support Bush.
Given his record, it is inexplicable in my opinion.
That's what worries me.
That Bush reflects what the majority of the USA in thinking.

Of course the people of the USA are at liberty to chose their President.
But to do so in the full knowledge of 2000-2004, confounds me.

Regardless, the rest of the world will have to chose if he is re-elected.