BUSH yes or no

Saucy

Your complacency is staggering. You are going to hang your head accept defeat and "support" the winners? Are americans so broken in spirit that they will accept the highjacking of their democracy?

You may not have blood in the streets, but I for one would not accept this defeat lying down. 48% of the voting public voted against this administration. That is a large number.

If ever the religious bullshit you are facing right now were to enter into my country, I will quit my job and dedicate myself full-time to fight against religious fundamentalists. I believe in a secular democracy that strongly.

I am appalled by the attitude of the left in the U.S. right now. They are hanging their heads and figuring out ways to pander to the religious instead of embracing and fighting for their ideals.

Isn't your country worth fighting for? Aren't your ideals worth fighting for?

Fuck George Bush!

RAISE HELL. FIGHT. You have four years. I suggest you start now.

And if the Democratic party does not fight for you, then find someone who will.

davidmc

He/She,Stiff Upper Lip; sounds like a young, idealistic, naive , misguided person or an evangelical who will vote for whichever candidate pray's to his/her particular diety. A one issue voter. Otherwise He/ She would be aware that the repub's are -how do i put this in rational, evenhanded term's ?-evil I notice he posted a rational post, that i agree w/ in a diff. thread but he posted "appeasement/capitulation" here Those are wartime word's because the republican's have launched a jihad against her own inhabitant's. Since when has conservatism had to be decreed at the federal level I thought those geniuses were all about states right's. It would be nice if they could make up thier mind but i fear that is asking too much. They will grab onto whatever device will further their ends- of punishing the poor & converting everyone to christianity-in that order

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Saucy

[QUOTE=Stiff Upper Lip][QUOTE=Saucy]Your complacency is staggering. You are going to hang your head accept defeat and "support" the winners? Are americans so broken in spirit that they will accept the highjacking of their democracy?
I didn't mean to offend you with my post. I was trying to inspire you to carry on the fight as I thought you were against this administration. But judging by your reply, apparently you are satisfied with Greedom and Demockery.

Your reply simply confirms what I am saying: Americans have become complacent. Therefore you do not deserve democracy. You deserve to be lied to.

Americans thoroughly deserve George Bush. The rest of the world does not.

davidmc

Agree. Democracy is about participation not appeasement/capitulation.

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I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

Saucy

Based on a thread in the Bike Cafe I had assumed Stiff Upper Lip was strongly opposed to this administration. I must have misinterpreted what he was saying as he is now an apologizing for the demockery in his country.

limerickman

I can see both sides : Stiff Uppers and Saucy.

One thing though is right : the fight for 2008 starts now.
The Democrats need to fight tooth and nail - from now until 2008.
Bush's win - though appalling - was emphatic.
And the margin that has to be pulled back and then surpassed will not be easy
to manage.

FredC

I've read all the posts on this thread, and I don't give a toss about the overstated threat to the American public of terrorism. What concerns me most is after the Americans have effed it up a la Afghanistan is that the religious and politically persecuted of Iraq, whether they be Sunnis or Shiites will be banging on the door of Europe for asylum. A lot of the Kurds are already here. Who picks up the tab? We do again. America won't let them in. Why not? They are probably terrorsists coming to create cells. Hey listen you wankers over the water, do you know the name of the spiritual leader of the Sunni moslems. None other than HH Aga Khan, he's got some great racehorses.
I've not heard of any interviews with him, have you.?

davidmc

We've got enough on our plate, as of late. We are a violent culture. Our's has been the homeland of invention. And, finally, we seem to be predisposed to violence & good at producing weapon's. Sure the english have the Harrier (can't go as fast as an amer. plane but is admirable) the french made the Exocet-which is also lethal. But The american's have produced the lion's share of light,well built, small, efficient weapon's,-quality vs. quantity which were favorible against the former soviet union. Albeit,the sikorsky & kalishnikov are world class. Power & geographic isolation have, i beleive, accelerated our production & use of weapon's whereas in europe, everything is in the "backyard". The US's conflicts, by contrast, are "abroad". Add to that the profit motive for general dynamics, lockheed martin, springfield armory, ect...& you have the armouror of the world. One contingent that has held me in awe has been english soccer fan's, they are viscious !!! I'm serious, I'm not joking.

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I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

Ssushi

".....english soccer fan's, they are vicious " - heh its amazing what you can do with a stanley knife... we should send them to Iraq - two birds, one stone....

Saucy

LOL. The democrats already are a moderate, centrist party!

The Democrats did speak to the problems of middle america (health care, minimum wage, prescription drugs, jobs, the economy, the deficit, taxes). John Kerry went on and on and on about all of these issues!

Middle america did not listen. Middle america did not care. Middle america is only concerned about denying constitutional rights to gay people.

davidmc

I agree w/ that. Bush/Cheney are all about scare tactics so you won't notice their unseemly aim's. Kerry won all 3 debates for crying out loud !!!

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I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

Saucy

At least we know how to motivate Americans to vote. Yell "FAGGOT" really loudly near the polling station. The fundamentalists will come running!

davidmc

Check out my pic attchmnt on page 2 of the "Four more years" thread. There are 2 pics there. Check 'em out !!! There on the bottom 1/2 of page 2.

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I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

Saucy

Yes I saw it earlier. Damn funny! It inspired my post. I am stealing your material. I'm a hack, I admit it.