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Old 29-10.-2004, 11:17 AM   #61
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There where no terrorists in Iraq. now that we have invaded iraq the terrorists have come there, cuase it really pissed em off, and what better place to kill americans? right? Iraq had no W.O.M.D they had nothing to do with shit
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Old 29-10.-2004, 11:40 AM   #62
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I concur! This is the most sense post so far! Bush needs the war to be able to stay in power as he nothing else to justify his presidency and choses to wage war on the wrong people to clean up unfinished Bush Snr business and avoid the real terrorists who are his oil buddies. But hey, it makes great TV for all those people who never leave their own countru or in fact armchair so it must be great ehh???

PS Lets not forget that the US was allowing quite open support for the IRA not so long back.... Not so nice now you have to face it yourselves is it?

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That's the problem now - it's a turkey shoot.

Unfortunately the US troops have no choice but to go where they're told to go to, by their political masters.

The WMD false allegation has been proven to be a lie.
The alleged links between Saddam and Al Qaeda have been proven to be a lie.
The false allegation that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11 has been
proven to be a lie.

The US invasion of Iraq has been a military, finanical and political disaster for
the USA.

The vacuum created by the removal of Hussein has now been filled with terrorists, loosely and/or closely, connected to Al Qaeda.
The British and American cannon fodder - sorry troops - are now expected to pick up the pieces.

Unfortunately the USA cannot now back out of Iraq and has to stay the course - so they have now tried to co-opt the Brits to transfer the Black Watch Regiment in to the Triangle of Death : Blair is prepared to pay the blood sacrifice for no weapons of mass destruction, no link to Al Qaeda and the non-existant link to the 9/11 attacks (and Bush's so-called End of
Civilisation).

What you need to remember in all of this is that it is in Bush's interest to keep
this whole war on terrorism going.
BinLaden is Bush's "raison d'etre".
The longer BinLaden & Co are free, it suits Bush and neocon conies who have sold their souls to their agenda.[/QUOTE]
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Old 01-11.-2004, 09:20 AM   #64
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It's a brilliant strategy to lure the terrorists to Iraq and kill them there instead of having to kill them here. If we could only get the commie libs in this country to go to Iraq, it would be just wonderful.

Great work Rummy!

Remember, Democrats vote on Nov 3. Republicans and Independents vote on Nov 2.


That's the problem with this country. The religious fanatics have taken over. We are but a few small steps from being the same sort of theocracry that runs Iran and was running Afghanistan until we invaded in an abortive attempt to hunt down OBL. Next thing you know, armed gangs of christian thugs will be beating women on the street for walking with someone other than an immediate family member, or because her skirt is too short, or because she is wearing jeans.

If there was one thing to learn from 9/11 it is that the world has far too much religion and far to few thinking people. The terrorists have already won because they've turned the US into a backward, superstitious place. It's only a matter of time before the "true" christians start trying to eliminate the "false" christians. Baptists will start strapping themselves with C4 and going into Catholic churches. Presbyterians will start kidnapping and beheading Lutherans. Everyone will try to poison the water in Utah.

We are entering another dark age.

I am embarassed to be a human being.

Now, if you will excuse me, I must go sacrifice a chicken...

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Old 01-11.-2004, 09:37 AM   #65
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On another matter...

The upcoming election is in the truest sense of the phrase, a decision between the "lesser of two evils". On the one hand you have a rich, religious frat-boy drunk and former CEO of Haliburton, who want to usher in a new dark age fueled by oil. On the other hand, you have a billionaire and a slip-and-fall lawyer who claim to be on the side of "the little guy". What the hell is wrong with people? Why does anyone with a brain believe a word that comes out of any of these people's mouths?

Americans, who are dumb enough to elect religious fanatics and lawyers deserve the quality of government they get. I found it particularly amusing and depressing when Clinton uttered the phrase "that depends on what the definition of "is" is..." If we elect lawyers, that is the exactly the sort of nonsense we can expect from our government. Yet, here we are with another lawyer in line for the highest position in the land.

Its' too bad we don't have a real choice. Whoever I vote for, it will actually be a vote against Bush. I can not vote "for" any of the pathetic losers we are offered by the reps and dems. They are the same, only different!

ALWAYS vote encumbents OUT.

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Old 01-11.-2004, 11:08 AM   #66
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Great response! & Avatar quote thing...

Run for president, please!


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That's the problem with this country. The religious fanatics have taken over. We are but a few small steps from being the same sort of theocracry that runs Iran and was running Afghanistan until we invaded in an abortive attempt to hunt down OBL. Next thing you know, armed gangs of christian thugs will be beating women on the street for walking with someone other than an immediate family member, or because her skirt is too short, or because she is wearing jeans.

If there was one thing to learn from 9/11 it is that the world has far too much religion and far to few thinking people. The terrorists have already won because they've turned the US into a backward, superstitious place. It's only a matter of time before the "true" christians start trying to eliminate the "false" christians. Baptists will start strapping themselves with C4 and going into Catholic churches. Presbyterians will start kidnapping and beheading Lutherans. Everyone will try to poison the water in Utah.

We are entering another dark age.

I am embarassed to be a human being.

Now, if you will excuse me, I must go sacrifice a chicken...

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Old 01-11.-2004, 11:20 AM   #67
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Congratulations Tyler. You're ready for the Kool-aid.



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On another matter...

The upcoming election is in the truest sense of the phrase, a decision between the "lesser of two evils". On the one hand you have a rich, religious frat-boy drunk and former CEO of Haliburton, who want to usher in a new dark age fueled by oil. On the other hand, you have a billionaire and a slip-and-fall lawyer who claim to be on the side of "the little guy". What the hell is wrong with people? Why does anyone with a brain believe a word that comes out of any of these people's mouths?

Americans, who are dumb enough to elect religious fanatics and lawyers deserve the quality of government they get. I found it particularly amusing and depressing when Clinton uttered the phrase "that depends on what the definition of "is" is..." If we elect lawyers, that is the exactly the sort of nonsense we can expect from our government. Yet, here we are with another lawyer in line for the highest position in the land.

Its' too bad we don't have a real choice. Whoever I vote for, it will actually be a vote against Bush. I can not vote "for" any of the pathetic losers we are offered by the reps and dems. They are the same, only different!

ALWAYS vote encumbents OUT.

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Old 07-11.-2004, 06:05 AM   #68
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you are a dumb ass. What if i where to be 23?

i am extremely disapointed in the results of this poll.

i consider people who cycle to be free thinking intelligent people who could see thru bush's bs in a heartbeat.

i guess i am wrong.
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Old 07-11.-2004, 07:08 AM   #69
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i am extremely disapointed in the results of this poll.

i consider people who cycle to be free thinking intelligent people who could see thru bush's bs in a heartbeat.

i guess i am wrong.


People who voted for bush are mostly redneck hillbillies. Most civilized americans know better, unless they just wanted the Bush tax breaks, in which case they are just selfish. Check out this map of Bush (red) v. Kerry (blue) by county. Keep in mind that Bush only won the popular vote 51% to kerry's 48%.
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Old 07-11.-2004, 12:10 PM   #70
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People who voted for bush are mostly redneck hillbillies. Most civilized americans know better, unless they just wanted the Bush tax breaks, in which case they are just selfish. Check out this map of Bush (red) v. Kerry (blue) by county. Keep in mind that Bush only won the popular vote 51% to kerry's 48%.

It's this kind of arrogant self appointed elitist attitude that did the Deomcrats in. We redneck hillbillies are sick and damned tired of you "civilized americans" trying to convince us you know what is best for us. And what percent of the popular vote did Clinton get? It was quite a bit less than 51%
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That's the problem with this country. The religious fanatics have taken over. We are but a few small steps from being the same sort of theocracry that runs Iran and was running Afghanistan until we invaded in an abortive attempt to hunt down OBL. Next thing you know, armed gangs of christian thugs will be beating women on the street for walking with someone other than an immediate family member, or because her skirt is too short, or because she is wearing jeans.

If there was one thing to learn from 9/11 it is that the world has far too much religion and far to few thinking people. The terrorists have already won because they've turned the US into a backward, superstitious place. It's only a matter of time before the "true" christians start trying to eliminate the "false" christians. Baptists will start strapping themselves with C4 and going into Catholic churches. Presbyterians will start kidnapping and beheading Lutherans. Everyone will try to poison the water in Utah.

We are entering another dark age.

I am embarassed to be a human being.

Now, if you will excuse me, I must go sacrifice a chicken...

TD

Good post. We are entering the age of the new American Inquisition w/ Ashcroft/Bush being the chief inquisitor's. It would be comical if it were'nt so tragic. I just hope the neocon's don't destroy the entire country. Knowing their extreme corporate/theocracy ideal's, I fear that they will come close to suceeding in bringing down these united states w/ their misunderstood/misplaced zeal. Poster's such as bert, who includes a quote from Anne Coulter (repub. party schill) "fan the flames" for this destruction of the wall of seperation of church & state; as outlined by Jefferson. It's a disgrace to our nation & the world & only further incites the terrorist's into carrying out their jihad. Well done fellow's !!!
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It's a brilliant strategy to lure the terrorists to Iraq and kill them there instead of having to kill them here. If we could only get the commie libs in this country to go to Iraq, it would be just wonderful.

Great work Rummy!

Remember, Democrats vote on Nov 3. Republicans and Independents vote on Nov 2.

Rummy is the guy who was photographed shaking Saddam's hand. That Rummy Him & Wolfowitz created this shitstorm, let them throw their fortunes into Bush's War & go fight it instead of sending other peoples kid's in there. Bush's daughter's oughta' go over there & fight if he feel's so strongly about it. !!! They're doing the same thing Bush was doing during 'Nam-"barhopping"
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People who voted for bush are mostly redneck hillbillies. Most civilized americans know better, unless they just wanted the Bush tax breaks, in which case they are just selfish. Check out this map of Bush (red) v. Kerry (blue) by county. Keep in mind that Bush only won the popular vote 51% to kerry's 48%.

EXACTLY !!!
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Well Ryan,

The one thing that has always made our country unique is that when we hold a national election we win or we lose and then we support the winner.

There is no blood in the streets of America following elections. Many other nations cannot claim this stability. I think that as time goes by you will come to appreciate this fact and the security that this represents.

As time goes by you will have a family and property as well as the desire to hold on to these things and be sure that mob rule does not strip these important items from your grasp.

GW won. The democratic party still survives, they just do not hold the position of power currently. If you wish you can remain active and have a voice, or like most people just forget the whole concept of worrying about the government now that the media won't be trying to goad you into caring.

Take a nice ride. Relax. Life goes on.

Support the winner's What are you? 22. Support them in their $ grab & public land "giveaway's" for pennies on the $. You can't be serious. These guy's play the social values card to divert the attn away from the fact that they are plundering the treasury so as to enrich their country club, frat boy, cronies. Uncle dick (Cheney) might as well pull a dumptruck up to the treasury bldg. There's no sense in hiding it now that they are a "lame duck" admin.
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I think the election of Bush was a fundamental mistake but I'd disagree with your view that only uneducated fools voted him in office. Schwarzennegger has a business studies degree and obviously voted Republican, Vladimir Putin is a shrewd politician and wanted Bush to win, as did Don King (the self-educated boxing promoter) who campaigned for Bush.
Bush's core vote came from the religious right-wingers who reside in the Bible States but he would have gotten votes from various people who were persuaded his alleged strong line on terrorism has made the world more secure.
After 9/11 people wanted to see something being done and the Bush Administration successfully conned people that by removing Saddam Hussein (and making various threats against Iran, Syria and North Korea), global terrorism would be on the retreat.
However, these voters don't yet understand that Al Qaida has significantly strengthened its rank and file under George W Bush and is far more stronger now than it was 4 years ago. This is because Al Qaida has always alleged the West is mounting a kind of Christian crusade against the Arab world. Very conveniently for Bin Laden, Bush happens to be a devout religious leader who imposed a puppet regime in Iraq, killling 100,000 civilians in the process. So, even moderate Arabs are now confused as to who the good guys and the bad guys actually are. More potential terrorists have been created over the last few years.
What Arabs see is Bush, bible in hand making political speeches while images of Iraqi casualties are beamed all over the world. The photos of the prisoner abuse scandal in Baghdad would also seem to have confirmed this idea of an anti-Arab crusade being conducted in the name of religion. That disaster alone should have driven Bush out of office but responsibility and blame was shifted instead to the rank and file guards.
For this reason, more recruits are flocking into the ranks of terrorist organisations and, of course, we shouldn't forget, Al Qaida even has a foothold in Iraq now that the secular Saddam is out of power.
It's amazing the electorate didn't grasp all of this when Kerry explained it but we have to bear in mind Americans still feel under threat and simply associated John Kerry with liberalism and weakness. Plus, they were convinced Kerry's willingness to seek allies abroad and improve intelligence gathering e.t.c. was tantamount to giving in to the U.N. or surrendering political initiative to other countries. Not what Kerry had in mind at all. But how cleverly the Republicans were able to exploit this sense of nationalism and insecurity.
So, what will happen next?
My guess is that the mess in Iraq may escalate to such a degree that, at some stage, people will come to understand that the U.S. economy won't be able to sustain such a prolonged campaign in that country (which is what happened to the U.S.S.R. in Afghanistan). Plus, if more terrorist attacks get through from Al Qaida, people may finally begin to question whether the whole idea of invading Iraq has been such a good idea after all. This may push the Democrats back into office in 4 years time but the question remains as to how long it will take till Bush's Middle Eastern Policy starts to crumble and the electorate wakes up to the fact they were conned (by a draught-dodger who assumes the role of war-leader).
It was basically predicted that after 9/11, the liberals would basically lose ground so that the Party with the biggest bark would win over the electorates in various countries. What is yearned for at this stage is plenty of chest-pounding and testosterone but, at some point, people will probably seek a return to shrewd strategic thinking and the need for solid alliances.




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People who voted for bush are mostly redneck hillbillies. Most civilized americans know better, unless they just wanted the Bush tax breaks, in which case they are just selfish. Check out this map of Bush (red) v. Kerry (blue) by county. Keep in mind that Bush only won the popular vote 51% to kerry's 48%.
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