How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?

teton explorer

Well said.

MountainPro

stereo? JA?

explain this cryptic message..

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MountainPro

Hadrians wall wasnt built to keep the Scots out of England....no, there were no such countries when the wall was contructed.

Hello America, i have something to tell you.

We have guns in other countries too...woah...crazy notion.

yep, we have them and they are not for protection....recently we had a 32 year old man kill a 2 year old toddler in Scotland by shooting him in the head with a rifle. He got life in prison for murder...that gun was not for protection.

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artemidorus

When the Romans built Hadrian's wall, the Scots were still in Ireland. The wall was built to keep out some of the tribes of the people that are now called the Welsh.

teton explorer

I feel a Monty Python skit coming on.

cbjesseeNH

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MountainPro

Correct...it was to keep the Caledoni and other Pictish tribes from raiding the Roman controled part of what was to become England. This was one tribe of warriors that the Romans couldnt defeat in open battle and besides, Scotland didnt agree with the lifestyle of the Romans who preferred the warm Italian weather. The Welsh were in a diferent part of the country.

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PolishPaul

Argue all you want about guns, but a buddy of mine lives in a bad part of town, and yup.. he got mugged. With a gun. So all you hippies STFU, its still the wild west in America, and believe it or not, i'd rather have a ton of rednecks with guns so that WHEN the government tries to go to far, i have some line of defence.. call me an idealsit / constitutionalist, but look what happened to germany before ww2!

Learn history, don't let it repeat. Guns in the hands of citizens is the safest way to live. Think about that last sentence.

Hypnospin

does this include the myth of succesful home and personal defense statistics?
that they are much lower than accidental injuries and deaths?

how about the myth that most street guns were stolen from law abiding citizens and were originaly purchased legaly?

or the one about the number of firearems used in marital and domestic dispute?

that most gun owners are incapable of the marksmanship required to competently use a gun effectively?

there is always the one about how most self inflicted wounds and deaths are from accidental firearm discharge.

to top it of, juveniles lead both the accidental and intentional rate of injuries to themselves and others from guns...


just wondering.

PolishPaul

How many people get killed by cars ? how many teens have cars ?

just wondering.
Think.

Hypnospin

ah, when we look to discriminate against a segment of society, teens are always a safe hedge for which to the apply twisted logic of claiming apples and oranges are indeed the same fruit...

Arathald

Hello, Europe (and anyone else not in the USA who wants to be included), I have something to tell YOU

We have bathtubs in America, believe it or not.

We have had quite a few young children drowned (often by their own mothers) in bathtubs. Those bathtubs were nto for their cleanliness.


We also have baseball bats.

We have had some children killed by being clubbed with a baseball bat. Those bats were not for sports.


And, worst of all, we have airplanes.

On Spetember 11, 2001, several terrorists used airplanes as devices to slaughter thousands of innocent people. These planes were certainly not being used by the terrorists for transportation.

I know it sounds like I'm bringing up old arguments (especially the last one), but I hope you see the point I'm making.

Maybe people like the aforementioned Scottish man should not be allowed to posess firearms. And maybe mothers should not be allowed to own bathtubs, and maybe children should be allowed to have basebal bats. While were at it, let's go all the way and not allow Arabs on public transportation anymore.
I know these provisions would be a little bit extreme, but they make my point persectly clear (If anyone is having trouble understanding my point, elt me know, and I will explain it in clear, concise, simplified English).

cbjesseeNH

Many of those myths are indeed addressed in the document, with published evidence demonstrating the falsehood of those myths.

One example is the use of gang-member shootings of other gang-members, including "children" up to 21 years of age, in compiling juvinile gun-related deaths. The data presented on the Bureau of Criminal Statistics site was misused by anti-gunners who consciously combined larger figures from the 18-21 year old gang-shooting catagory with other lesser magnitude data to create this myth.

Some anti-gunners are indeed skilled in data analysis, but they lack data supporting their position. So they manipulate good data to yield misleading statistics. It appears that they figure their ends justify their means. They always get caught, but the media still quote the original falsehoods. There is no news in statistics that show nothing.

Fortunately, the anti-gunners still bring this tripe to house/senate hearings, where their misleading tactics were long ago exposed. That's why they never try to encourage Joe Citizen to attend these public hearings and just bring along thier own lawyers/experts. When an honest citizen is embarrassed off the podium after quoting long discredited studies and data, they end up losing no matter what they do.

So yes, you can use this source to dispell those myths when somebody spouts off without any basis in fact.

A Google on "gun facts" will bring up lots of additional support.

MountainPro

Bathtubs, planes and basball bats were not designed to fire a high velocity projectile designed to kill or seriously injure others. Guns are.

This is why banning guns needs to be done with common sense so that we wont get the 'cars kill people' argument.

When you have people comparing a gun with the likes of bathtubs etc. you know they arent thinking rationally. A golf tee can kill if you bang it hard enough into a persons temple....stupid eh...yes some people are that stupid?

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