How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?

huhenio

I dont need a gun to kill a man. But makes things so much easier and less gory.
Do you know how much work is to kill someone with your bare hands? TOO MUCH!!

Would you give up your goods upon request? I am not giving up anything without a fight. And I will keep getting in trouble for helping others anytime I can. I have broken knuckles, scars, and broken teeth to remind me that to help your neighbour is ever lastin wilst pain is transitory.

Mikado ... I am a pacifist, but not a sheep. Good luck trying to steal from me.

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1974 Schwinn Traveler Fixed Gear Conversion (42x13)

Think of some medieval torture element that goes fast

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huhenio

Ok people ... .do you carry condoms? Do you carry your condoms in your wallet/ purse?

Of course you do and that does not mean that you go around planning to have sex with someone EVERY SINGLE TIME you get out there with your condoms.

But sometimes the situation arises and you need them. Where you happy when that happened to you? HELL YEAH!!

Of course I rather be in need of using condoms than guns ... same with any other emergency item.

You carry a spare tire in your car. Are you going around thinking "GoD!!! this is a great day to have a flat!!!" ... no!!! You are not willing to have a flat nor going around looking for having flat tires ... unless you are out of your mind.

IS THE SAME WITH GUNS.

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2003 Gary Fisher Zebrano (standard gearing)
Comfort commuter with drop and aero bars.
Think of a Buick.

1974 Schwinn Traveler Fixed Gear Conversion (42x13)

Think of some medieval torture element that goes fast

Wheelist, show me the bike!!!!!!!

Arathald

Would a warning shot into the ground be bad too? As you may well be able to tell, I do much of my debating from more of an intellectual point than an experiencial point. Usually leadsnto good arguments, but sometimes I miss something. And it is ture that you should only use a gun when your options have run out, but even then, I would rather try to diffuse the situation without loss of life (shot to the leg), unless absolutely impossible (i.e. the guy pulls a gun on you or is charging towards you with a baseball bat, pipe, etc.).

I personally tend to carry a knife sometimes. I use it mostly as a tool, but It's nice knowing that if someone intends to do me harm, I at least have some way of fighting them off (I also always carry a cell phone-- I have yet to use it to diffuse a personal threat to my life, but I have called an ambulence a couple times and saves peoples lives).

As stated before, just about everything is a tool. If I was a terrorist, that same cell phone that saved lives could be used to blow up a bomb (btw- to make things perfectly clear I am not, never was, nor ever will be a terrorist). It's not the tool that's evil it's the person who abuses it.

martin_j001

I guess the warning shot idea is debatable, but I think more of it depends on your surroundings than anything else. I live in a second floor apartment. In my case, if I'm putting bullets into something, its going to be a body--if I were to shoot at the floor, I have people below me. I also have neighbors on the other side of me. Basically, there are people in all but one direction around me in my apartment. This should be something everyone considers when they develop their "when shit hits the fan plan". No warning shots will ever be used out of my guns by my hands. If its bad enough that I need to threaten to use the gun, I'm going to use the gun. Whether or not I shoot for a leg, chest or head will depend on the other person and their choice of weapon and attitude. If they continue to advance towards me with a weapon, I consider that a direct threat to my life, and will take no mercy on them at that point--if its my life or theirs, I'm not really going to care where I end up aiming for, as long as it stops the threat.

Everywhere I go I carry my knife and cell phone (yes, even on my bike), as I don't have a concealed carry permit and never carry my handgun out of the house. Remember though, don't bring a knife to a funfight!!

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cbjesseeNH

I should add the person killed by the pepper-ball gun was a healthy, young adult. Big story in the Eastern US when the Red Sox won and there was a "pre-riot." You can Google that if desired.

Is that 99% of the < 100 million gun owners in the US, 99% or the 4 million NRA members, or 99% of those that carry handguns that you figure will never suffer a "lethal" attack?

And that 1 in 100 that you allow will suffer a lethal attack?

I could spend my time giving you references to facts and figures on crime rates, use of firearms in self-defense, etc, but your style of simply challenging any point raised without providing any support is wearing thin.

You have a belief, and like most people with beliefs, facts and figures will not change your belief in the truth of your position.

teton explorer

You said guns were for killing. I disagreed. But I never said guns weren't for shooting, you idiot. Many, many, many people get shot without dying.

teton explorer

The United States Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel is NOT a court. To the contrary, the DOJ is usually a party to a lawsuit that argues its case to the Court. Thus, the DOJOLC memorandum is NOT a court opinion. So, I reiterate my request for a citating to a "court opinion" supporting your argument.

Addtionally, I didn't ask for a website, I asked for cite to a specific article from a specific "scholar" supporting your position. Provide that, and perhaps we can debate this. Until then, you have offered nothing but your unsupported opinion.

teton explorer

No, I don't carry a condom in my wallet. I grew out of that half way through college. Nor do I have sex in the back seat of cars. I don't have to "be prepared" for sex in case I "stumble into it" somewhere besides my home. As an adult, when I have sex its at home. Thus, that's where I keep my birth control.

I carry a spare tire in case I have a flat tire. I don't carry a spare tire to use against someone for self defense. I'm not sure how I could. And I've never heard of someone being killed with a spare tire.

Analogies can be helpful, but only if the situations are analogous.

teton explorer

Couldn't have said it better myself.

mitosis

Great analogies.

I'm going to start carrying a gun. Because, although I won't want to kill someone every time I go out, every now and then I will want to. And having a gun will allow me to do this.

I'm convinced.

Arathald

[insert blank stare here]

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cbjesseeNH

Just an observation for those that care - if I ofter a URL with a USDOJ paper reviewing court opinions, it's not the USDOJ that is issueing the court opinions, but the courts who issue the opinions. The USDOJ is just collecting all of those opinions in a single place. Of course, they are looking to support one side or the other of a question. The Brady Campaign has similar position papers, but most cite no legal references and just call people idiots and murderers that don't agree with their gun-phobia.

Also, a URL reference to legal scholars on gun-control will contain links to the publications of those scholars. Click on those links to read their works.

It ain't like TV or On-Demand, you have to work a bit.

Fortunately, the arguements and data provided by courts and scholars has lead to about 2/3 of the US population living in 37 "Right-to-Carry" states http://www.moccw.org/map.html, up from just a few states a few decades ago. As long as the opposition uses whining, babbling and insults as their main argumentation style, those numbers will continue to go up.

So whine, babble and insult on ...

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But back to my original effort of proving feedback on ways to effectively carry while riding:

If you have a Camelbak, or some such hydration pack, many such packs have a little zippered pocket one can access by reaching back and pulling the zipper down. A handgun in a soft holster can be snugged in that pocket and drawn easily. Velcro it in if desired, but you can also pull the pistol out holstered and then flip the holster off.

Nein11

mitosis, you cant carry a gun because you don't live in a country where you have that right.


Everyone, lets not forget....

Guns dont kill people, bullets kill people.