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How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?

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Old 30-07.-2005, 11:05 AM   #391
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I was recently shot 7 times with an automatic paintball rifle at close range by a motorist while on a ride. The paint balls did not break as they were frozen. Had I been carrying a gun on that ride I probably would have used it, which would have been excessive force considering my attacker's weapon. I'll take the hits while on a ride without using a weapon and remain a free man to enjoy many more rides.
Sorry to hear about your experience, Southwind. I'm impressed by your attitude, though.
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Old 30-07.-2005, 11:34 AM   #392
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I've worked and lived in quite a few Countries, spreading from the Pacific, through Asia, Africa and, for a short time, Europe. The only 2 places I have been in where carrying a weapon (with the primary purpose being protection against attack from other human beings) was considered normal were the Tribal Regions of the Northwest Frontier Province of Pakistan and across the border in Afghanistan.
I work for a US-based company, with many US personnel. I have not been to the United States of America and so my information on life there is, at best, secondhand. I do find this view that packing a piece equates to normality, rather disturbing. It is reflected in those I work with, whose greatest pride is to produce a license allowing them to carry a concealed weapon.
Why is it that the law-abiding people of the United States of America have a greater need for self-protection within their own society than the people of most other Nations? I am not trying to be facetious here, but it seems to me that there is something wrong and it is being treated as being normal. Looking from the outside, I'm not sure that having everyone walking around packin' heat is the way to correct the problem.
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You may find it interesting that I have lived in the U.S. for 27 of my 30 years, and in 7 different states, and I was honestly *completely* shocked when I read this thread to learn that people actually carry guns when they ride a bike. While it certainly must be an issue if so many people here are talking about it (and I'm not trying to downplay it), don't think that the entire country over here is running around with guns. It's just not the case.

Sure there are bad areas here that I avoid in darkness, but I felt similar about some areas close to where I lived when I spent 3 years in Europe. I have NEVER felt the slightest inclination to carry a gun. Despite the fact that I'm in an occupation in which I handle various weapon systems regularly and am comfortable with them, I have never felt like I needed anything for protection in my personal life.

As I said, everyone has different experiences and I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong in their given situation, I just want to point out that it is certainly NOT the "wild-west" everywhere over here.
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Southwind, I'm just curious if you were riding alone when you were attacked? I wonder if the frequency of attacks goes down when riders are in pairs or groups.

Yes, I was riding alone on a two-lane 55 mph road. The car came up from behind me so I didn't see it coming. After it passed me a guy was hanging out of the passenger window displaying the rifle looking back at me. Had I been in a pack I doubt they would have shot, knowing the chances of someone identifying their plate number would increase. I had turned around and looked down at my back wheel and by the time I looked up again the car was far enough ahead I couldn't read the license plate.
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Old 30-07.-2005, 01:00 PM   #394
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...I just want to point out that it is certainly NOT the "wild-west" everywhere over here.
Understood and good to hear, RH. I didn't figure that it would be a universal state of affairs.
I work in the management of Offshore Drilling Rigs and my Texan co-workers here keep putting magazines like "Combat Handgun" (containing articles such as "Summertime Concealed Carry" - I never realised that Handguns had fashion seasons) amongst the Drilling periodicals on the waiting area coffee table at our office so that, if clients or contractors have some time to spare before their appointment, they can choose between reading about drilling technology updates or reading about how to pick a weapon which will cause maximum damage, but still fit in the inside pocket of a sport jacket.
This ethos seems very strange (actually 'foreign') when encountered here in Malaysia, a Country with very few crimes committed involving the use of firearms, and is commented on by the local staff. They ask me "Why would you want to carry a gun?" I tell them that I don't know.
Again, I'm not trying to be facetious or disparaging. I just find the concept of considering carrying a weapon when cycling a disturbingly alien one.
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Old 30-07.-2005, 11:37 PM   #395
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Another good option: Kramer Confidant Shirt Holster at http://www.kramerleather.com

Serves as a base layer too. Not quick on the draw but deep cover.

A little can of OC advised as well. All predators may not be 2-legged ...

(anti-gun nuts, please feel free to express continued shock and awe below)
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Old 31-07.-2005, 03:25 AM   #396
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I was recently shot 7 times with an automatic paintball rifle at close range by a motorist while on a ride. The paint balls did not break as they were frozen. Had I been carrying a gun on that ride I probably would have used it, which would have been excessive force considering my attacker's weapon. I'll take the hits while on a ride without using a weapon and remain a free man to enjoy many more rides.

don't shoot to kill... shoot out the tires so that the punks who shot the paintballs are there when the cops arrive; because they would have been contacted by your other neccessary tool... a cellphone.
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Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say I would have shot a weapon even had I been carrying one. I said I would now consider carrying a weapon after seeing first hand the extent to which assholes will harass cyclists.

It wasn't an empty can. And at the speed he was going when he launched it, had it hit me a few inches higher or to the left I might be in the hospital rather than just bruised. What he did is a felony offense--aggravated assault.

Who's to say what the next asshole will attempt?

I hazard to guess if someone hit you in the back of the head with the impact equivalent to a baseball bat, you might consider carrying a weapon, too. If not, you're either a far more tolerant person than I am or you can't really imagine what it was like to be hit like that.


So what is the gun for?
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Old 31-07.-2005, 06:30 PM   #398
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snip... I just find the concept of considering carrying a weapon when cycling a disturbingly alien one.


Or anywhere else in day to day life.
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Old 01-08.-2005, 05:30 AM   #399
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From the NRA: "Australia saw its violent crime rates soar after its 1996 gun control measures banned most firearms. Violent crime rates averaged 32% higher in the six years after the law was passed than they did the year before the law went into effect. Murder and manslaughter rates remained unchanged, but armed robbery rates increased 74%, aggravated assaults by 32%. Australia's violent crime rate is also now double America's."

From Australia: "Although Dr. Adam Graycar, director of the Australian Institute of Criminology, calls the NRA's figures misleading, he admitted in an interview with the Associated Press Tuesday that assaults in his country had indeed climbed but added that "most attacks did not involve guns." Graycar also said homicides had decreased and rarely involved firearms."

I guess being stabbed, budgeoned or beaten is preferred to being shot by a gun down-under. I'm not partial to any such treatment.
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yup i carry a 45
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From the NRA: "Australia saw its violent crime rates soar after its 1996 gun control measures banned most firearms. Violent crime rates averaged 32% higher in the six years after the law was passed than they did the year before the law went into effect. Murder and manslaughter rates remained unchanged, but armed robbery rates increased 74%, aggravated assaults by 32%. Australia's violent crime rate is also now double America's."

From Australia: "Although Dr. Adam Graycar, director of the Australian Institute of Criminology, calls the NRA's figures misleading, he admitted in an interview with the Associated Press Tuesday that assaults in his country had indeed climbed but added that "most attacks did not involve guns." Graycar also said homicides had decreased and rarely involved firearms."

I guess being stabbed, budgeoned or beaten is preferred to being shot by a gun down-under. I'm not partial to any such treatment.


What is the NRA?
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I plan to mount a guided missile system on my aerobars. Such a deterrent will make me impossible to harrass and will comfort my soul. If only everyone would do it, the world would be so much safer.
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I plan to mount a guided missile system on my aerobars. Such a deterrent will make me impossible to harrass and will comfort my soul. If only everyone would do it, the world would be so much safer.
Absolutely.
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...From Australia: "Although Dr. Adam Graycar, director of the Australian Institute of Criminology, calls the NRA's figures misleading, he admitted in an interview with the Associated Press Tuesday that assaults in his country had indeed climbed but added that "most attacks did not involve guns." Graycar also said homicides had decreased and rarely involved firearms."...
That is the strangest evidence I have ever seen put forward for promoting the use of guns. I think you may find that part of the reason that Dr. Graycar considered the NRA's (an impartial body if ever there was one) figures misleading is that assaults were climbing before the introduction of the new gun laws.
Do you think the State and Federal Police Forces maybe prefer it now that less of the attacks involve firearms?
As a person who was living in Australia before, during and after the instigation of the new legislation, I did not have a problem with it. I doubt if there is anyone in Australia who packs heat when riding and, having ridden in quite a few of Australia's cities, I have never felt the need to carry any form of weapon.
Perhaps Australia just hasn't reached the stage where it is civilized enough for everyone to need to go around carrying weapons? If that's the case, uncivilized suits me.
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I read parts of this thread a few days ago and at the time I couldn't imagine carrying a gun when I rode.

Then on Wednesday, doing a hill climb through a "respectable" neighborhood, I was hit in the back of the head by a full can of soda, thrown from a car which was flying by me doing at least 60 mph.

Today I can imagine carrying a gun when I ride.


Are you saying that if you were carrying a gun, this would not have happened? And if it did still happen while carrying a gun, what could you do about it?
Could you pull your gun fast enough to get off a shot before the car was out of range? I don't think so! But, for arguement sake, lets say you do get off a shot and hit the car. Then what? Do you hide in the ditch, pull out your cell phone and call for help? Do you keep riding while the car circles around to come up behind you again. This time it won't be a can in the back, it will be you under the wheels.
BUT, as you lay dying on the road, you can take comfort in knowing your gun is with you.
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