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How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?

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Old 12-04.-2005, 02:20 PM   #271
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haha dont worry iv been playn wid guns since the beginning of time...i own a few pistol plastic bb guns and rifles...im good with gun i can do that turn around and shoot wen u hit the target....so yeah im good...wid my pellet gun i could shoot someones eye out in a split second....:-) i train in my back yard all the time...and then in scouts *im in scouts, for college and job recivmeys* i shoot black powder mussle loaders...theres really fun

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Old 12-04.-2005, 05:27 PM   #272
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here in california it is not permitted but i have considered it. i ride waaay out in areas where one could disappear. maybe a .25 or a .22 mag.

but i do carry mace and or pepper spray and a dagger made of fiberglass
(an AG russell cia letter opener) just to pick debris outta my tires...


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Just wondering how many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment? Here in Arizona we can legally carry open and concealed (concealed with permit).

For long distance touring and bicycle camping... I think I'd feel safer carrying my .45 semi-auto pistol (concealed so it doesn't freak people out).

Anyone else carry while biking?

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Old 12-04.-2005, 05:31 PM   #273
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I have lifted with a guy that had a walther in the gym bag, you just never know...



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If I was worried bad enough to have to carry a gun on a bike ride I would choose another route or just go to the gym and ride an exercise bike.
My only concern is while riding is getting hit by a vehicle.
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Old 12-04.-2005, 06:53 PM   #274
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here in california it is not permitted but i have considered it. i ride waaay out in areas where one could disappear. maybe a .25 or a .22 mag.

but i do carry mace and or pepper spray and a dagger made of fiberglass
(an AG russell cia letter opener) just to pick debris outta my tires...


Why a .22 or .25 ACP? Why not something substantial, like a .380? The P3AT made by Kel Tec is a high quality recoil operated (NOT blow back) 6+1 capacity DAO. Perfect for cyclist as it is only 10 ounces, LOADED. That is right, a half-full bottle of water weighs more. That is also a full half pound lighter than a S&W Airweight, a comparable revolver on the basis of ballistics but you also get 2 additional rounds with the auto.

I carry one specifically for defense against stray dogs, a problem where I ride. I have only pulled it one time on a dog. The dog sensed it and discontinued his pursuit well before he came within uncomfortable range, that being about 25 yards.
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Old 12-04.-2005, 07:11 PM   #275
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Joe,

Ah, but what was he carrying in the belly pouch compared to what you were carrying in the pannier? I would be interested in knowing what he was able to conceal that effectively and what sort of jersey he was wearing.

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I met another rider here in Arizona the other day who was actually carrying on the same ride I was. While I prefer to carry in the top pouch on my rear pannier, he was carrying in a belly pouch that fit underneath his cycling clothes... it was hard to tell he even had a weapon on him.

A bit of an aside... but pretty neat none-the-less.

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Joe,

Ah, but what was he carrying in the belly pouch compared to what you were carrying in the pannier? I would be interested in knowing what he was able to conceal that effectively and what sort of jersey he was wearing.

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Can't someone conceal this whole thread, please?
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Old 12-04.-2005, 11:30 PM   #277
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ROTFL

Why would you want to hide a thread about guns as cycling equipment? As you can see... there are plenty of us who carry weapons when we ride , and whether or not you agree with it; it is a fact that guns ARE cycling equipment.

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Old 13-04.-2005, 12:23 AM   #278
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I ride recreationally in South Florida, and I usually carry my Glock 19, 9MM stashed away in my Cammel pack.
Never Know what kind of critiers you will find on these roads, four legged ones and two legged ones!
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Old 13-04.-2005, 12:55 AM   #279
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ROTFL

Why would you want to hide a thread about guns as cycling equipment? As you can see... there are plenty of us who carry weapons when we ride , and whether or not you agree with it; it is a fact that guns ARE cycling equipment.

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Not good enough. Whether it's consistent with your perspective or not, this is an inflammatory issue more about law, society, and culture--evidenced by the fact that three quarters of this thread is debate about law, society, and culture.

I could consider my pecker a piece of equipment that I haul along for rides, and propose a thread about ways to employ it on my favorite climb. Because I have some respect for the spirit of this forum, though, I recognize that topic would be better suited to the cycling corner of an anatomy forum (or an alloy-fetish forum).

This topic is suited to the cycling sub-group of a gun ownership forum. Your unwillingness to acknowledge that simply reinforces that you're a combative dude here to make a tough-guy point... and it ain't a point about bikes.
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Old 13-04.-2005, 01:11 AM   #280
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I assume some think they have a right to assault cyclists and therefore shouldn't be allowed to protect themselves or maybe some cyclists just choose not to.
I always carry, everywhere.

If your laws weren't as liberal as your lawmakers, we wouldn't have to worry about carrying while cycling.
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Old 13-04.-2005, 01:13 AM   #281
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excuse me lokstah for butting in but please. You are incensed about the spirit of this forum being violated...when you don't have the guts to speak out against the most derogatory person on the board when he is perpetrating his hate speak like water under a bridge? What a joke. And for the record, I am not a gun owner but respect the right to bare arms. Save your sanctimonious tripe for someone who gives a dam. Some ride in very rural areas and if accosted they want recourse....their right. Statistically there are one hundred serial murders planning their next random killing in the US at any given time.
Smell the coffee and wake up.
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Old 13-04.-2005, 01:26 AM   #282
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excuse me lokstah for butting in but please. You are incensed about the spirit of this forum being violated...when you don't have the guts to speak out against the most derogatory person on the board when he is perpetrating his hate speak like water under a bridge? What a joke. And for the record, I am not a gun owner but respect the right to bare arms. Save your sanctimonious tripe for someone who gives a dam. Some ride in very rural areas and if accosted they want recourse....their right. Statistically there are one hundred serial murders planning their next random killing in the US at any given time.
Smell the coffee and wake up.
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Statistically, there are also 3.9million miles of paved roads in the US (Earth Policy Institute, 2001). That's 39,000 miles per supposedly random killer.
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Old 13-04.-2005, 01:39 AM   #283
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excuse me lokstah for butting in but please. You are incensed about the spirit of this forum being violated...when you don't have the guts to speak out against the most derogatory person on the board when he is perpetrating his hate speak like water under a bridge? What a joke. And for the record, I am not a gun owner but respect the right to bare arms. Save your sanctimonious tripe for someone who gives a dam. Some ride in very rural areas and if accosted they want recourse....their right. Statistically there are one hundred serial murders planning their next random killing in the US at any given time.
Smell the coffee and wake up.
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Firstly, I'm quite sure I've dedicated more total verbage to arguing with boudreaux than you have, for the record.

Secondly, though he's a toxic bastard, his offerings are nearly always topical. That is, unless he's goaded into exchanging insults with someone similarly combative. It's unlikely he'll ever be added to my Friendster list, but he knows cogsets.

Thirdly, you've illustrated my point by suggesting that I've put forth a "sanctimonious" dismissal of gun ownership rights, which I haven't. That's the natural course for this discussion to head, and thankfully, the administrators have set aside a section for it (hint: this isn't it). Unlike boudreaux, Joe doesn't seem to be a bad guy, but there's a deliberately antagonistic ring about his insistence to dedicate a 50-page thread in the cycling equipment forum to handgun selection.

Whether chasing boudreaux around is a current pursuit of mine shouldn't matter much to you; it certainly doesn't have any meaningful bearing on whether Joe's thread is misplaced. You're no more or less a valid arbiter than I am, pot or kettle (watch who you're calling "sanctimonious," for tthat matter). I simply find this an astonishingly mislocated thread.
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Old 13-04.-2005, 01:45 AM   #284
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Carrying a handgun doesn't make me a "tough-guy". It just helps me from becoming a victim.

Take a look at the number of people who have viewed this thread; do you still think that this isn't appropriate? I suppose 8,000 plus views of this thread indicate apathy on the subject?

The number of views on the thread bear out that this topic is interesting, relevant, and appropriate. There is no valid argument to the contrary.

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Carrying a handgun doesn't make me a "tough-guy". It just helps me from becoming a victim.

Take a look at the number of people who have viewed this thread; do you still think that this isn't appropriate? I suppose 8,000 plus views of this thread indicate apathy on the subject?

The number of views on the thread bear out that this topic is interesting, relevant, and appropriate. There is no valid argument to the contrary.

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The "tough-guy" reference was a distraction; I can retract that.

I stand by the rest of my post, though. The question isn't whether this is a discussion topic that attracts participants. The question is whether or not a better platform exists among the 27 other sub-forums provided by this website, let alone the hundreds of thousand of venues elsewhere in cyberspace.

I appreciate that deep down you, and a small but proud group of other cyclists, feels a good-faith committment to packing heat while riding. But it's hardly as resolutely a standard piece of cycling equipment as it is a resolutely hot ethical and legal issue in this country: in other words, it's a cultural debate first, and a harmless chat about bike parts second (a distant second).

This discussion belongs in another CyclingForums.com room, plain and simple; the Bloody Soapbox comes to mind, but even the Bike Cafe would be a reasonable fit.
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