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08-09.-2008, 09:43 AM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
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11-09.-2008, 01:25 AM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
I'm yet to have an answer to my ????? Sort it out. FFS!
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23-09.-2008, 09:56 PM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
At least nine dead in Finnish shooting, not in the USA!
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23-09.-2008, 11:01 PM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
...and eight Finns shot dead in a school shooting last year.
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24-09.-2008, 12:48 AM
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Carry of firearms by other than police, military and security guards is not legal in Finland: "Rescue personnel around the school had been unable to help while the student was still firing in the building, rescue squad coordinator Kari Saarinen said." As usual, the cops showed up after the shooter committed suicide. There were no armed adults nearby to intervene. Banning concealed carry of firearms by citizens would never happen in the USA - this is just another reminder that such bans don't work. In fact, the trend is toward more concealed carry, with some schools allowing teachers and staff to carry as well. |
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25-09.-2008, 12:55 PM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
Care to enlighten us on how you acquired your knowledge of the thought processes of mass murderers?
BTW...the killer in Finland was legal,licenced and had no criminal record. People who knew him say he was quite normal, apart from owning weapons.
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25-09.-2008, 06:06 PM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
The population comprises people who are confident in their abilities and beliefs, and those who are dependant, insecure, or just couldn't be bothered. Those in power prefer the latter and are suspicious of the former.
Let us see which holds sway in Finland. |
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25-09.-2008, 10:18 PM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
Interesting - most of the top Google hits on the story are diatribes from the UK and Australia insisting a gun ban is the only solution.
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It seems he did appear normal to those he interacted with, despite his avowed hatred of the human race. Just as Cho in the Virginia Tech shooting here in the US was subject to mental health and police interviews, the Finnish shooter was interviewed by the police. We've changed our systems and practices here to address the issue. Perhaps Finland will follow suit. |
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25-09.-2008, 10:49 PM
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26-09.-2008, 07:51 AM
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This kind of statement reflects a way of viewing the world known as "splitting" - I apologise for the jargon. It is a way of retreating from the complexity of normal human interaction. Look it up, and maybe you'll then try to avoid being so simplistic.
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26-09.-2008, 07:57 AM
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Sorry to be pedantic, but "socialism" describes a system using socially-owned capital to address perceived social injustice. It is perfectly consistent with a fully functioning justice system such as the excellent Westminster system used in the UK, Australia and elsewhere, or the similarly excellent Napoleonic system used in France. All three of these countries have embraced socialism at various times, yet have maintained justice systems which, while far from perfect, are the equal of those anywhere else in the world.
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26-09.-2008, 10:19 AM
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The opposite of splitting is something like "binding" or "joining". Let us unite into one common purpose - shall it be my view of the perfect world or yours?  |
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26-09.-2008, 11:11 AM
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26-09.-2008, 01:37 PM
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The car analogy doesn't stand up because the normal use of cars isn't destructive. When used according to directions guns destroy things - animals, people or targets if you must - but they don't have a constructive use. When cars are used for their intended purpose they are constructive (as long as you can ignore the polluting side effects). And to be fair, people who demonstrate an inability to use cars properly have their licences suspended. |
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26-09.-2008, 08:09 PM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
The car analogy doesn't stand up because the normal use of cars isn't destructive.
Tell that to the 50,000 killed every year in America alone. Or to the millions injured each year in motor vehicle 'accidents'. "When used according to directions guns destroy things - animals, people or targets if you must - but they don't have a constructive use." YMMV, but using one to keep me alive is VERY constructive use. Using one to put meat on my table is very constructive. That's why I'm top of the food chain and that's what firearms are used for. Much easier and more humane than using a rock or spear, don't you think? I also enjoy target shooting competitions. As a matter of fact, I'm participating in a John C. Garand Rifle Match this Sunday. I'll meet old friends, make a few new ones and hone my shooting skills while having fun and perhaps earning a medal and winning a prize. That sounds pretty constructive to me. And it's fun. And to be fair, people who demonstrate an inability to use cars properly have their licences suspended. And to be accurate, anyone that breaks the law and is convicted of a felony is not legally allowed to own a firearm or be in possession of one. I know folks that have ZERO ability behind the wheel, have caused MULTIPLE serious accidents and caused injury and they are all still legally driving. I know drunks with multiple DUI convictions...still driving to the bars and back home drunk. I see young punks out speeding and driving wrecklessly every day. Frankly, in America, the automobile is a FAR greater risk to your health than a firearm. |
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